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Hi all,

has anyone else experienced the hybrid system malfunction warning, intermittent lack of power?Got a long trip planned next week and no hope of getting into a dealer any time soon

also have the below issues thatI see have been report.

Radio not turning on straight away
Knock / creak from front end
Wallowing ride
Vibrating rear seat belt

Cx60 homura - 7 weeks old & 5514 miles
had mine for2 days and only 60 miles done plugged in to charge then a couple of hours later needed to go out, first the charging lead would not release even though drivers door was unlocked relocked it and unlocked it then allowed the charging cable to disconnect went to start up and got hybrid system malfunction and system electrical leakage fault, being picked up by rac tomorrow. Mine is a motorbillity car and they have said they or the rac will pay for taxis or give a curtisy car. the thing is i am 6foot 3 inches tall and have muscular dystrophy and can not get out of smaller cars, i had a bmw x1 befor this and was really struggling that is why i opted for the cx60 but it might as well be a push bike with no wheels, will have to see what car i get offered, have spoke about ending contract with motorbillity but they said see if mazda can fix fault first, what does any one else think i cannot afford to break down in middle of nowhere as my wheelchair wont have the range to get me home lol, rac will have to pick me up.
 
had mine for2 days and only 60 miles done plugged in to charge then a couple of hours later needed to go out, first the charging lead would not release even though drivers door was unlocked relocked it and unlocked it then allowed the charging cable to disconnect went to start up and got hybrid system malfunction and system electrical leakage fault, being picked up by rac tomorrow. Mine is a motorbillity car and they have said they or the rac will pay for taxis or give a curtisy car. the thing is i am 6foot 3 inches tall and have muscular dystrophy and can not get out of smaller cars, i had a bmw x1 befor this and was really struggling that is why i opted for the cx60 but it might as well be a push bike with no wheels, will have to see what car i get offered, have spoke about ending contract with motorbillity but they said see if mazda can fix fault first, what does any one else think i cannot afford to break down in middle of nowhere as my wheelchair wont have the range to get me home lol, rac will have to pick me up.
Exactly where we are less than 24hours after collection. Mazda refused to accept the vehicle on a Saturday afternoon. RAC & Motability seem to be doing their part. Glad it happened after 60 miles rather than on our 1000 mile round trip to Scotland we have planned over Christmas. Interested to see what Enterprise has lined up for us.
I’d love to know how your experience goes.
 
Those who are on the motorbility scheme,were you given the option to have a new car ?My issue happened after 6 days only 200 miles.I also understand that the 'within 30 days' consumer rights of full refund or replacement still applies on motorbility cars..The cx60 is a lovely car and ticks all boxes for my disability and daily living.Having repaired i just know will cause my paranoid mindset to kick in expecting it to hapoen every journey.If car replaced it could happen also,so i dont know if to pursue the repair option hoping that is end of issue,or push for new car but risk of the whole drama happening again..Nothing on the motorbility scheme comes close for what you get.So i really want to avoid choosing another make of car,but i also dont want to spend my whole lease worrying these issues will hapoen again.Mine happened on the motorway and really scared me.
 
Hello HellsBells and others.

And for all here, if you are PC capable I highly recommend you check cars inside (cabin) updates on feature updates like Mazda Connect, Radio, TCU, as so many Dealer simply don't do these, it really annoys me.

I help Mazda owners all over the world and UK Mazda Dealers are the worse, then EU, USA. Canada and Australia are the "better" ones but far from perfect.

For CX-60 Current Version for Mazda Connect is EU07 14024.
TCU is 10082.
Remote Tuner, varies.

Updates fix so many bugs and working complaints.
If you wish to check, or how to, just Message me by 'clicking on my Avatar'....do not message in this thread.

Ash
 
Hello HellsBells and others.

And for all here, if you are PC capable I highly recommend you check cars inside (cabin) updates on feature updates like Mazda Connect, Radio, TCU, as so many Dealer simply don't do these, it really annoys me.

I help Mazda owners all over the world and UK Mazda Dealers are the worse, then EU, USA. Canada and Australia are the "better" ones but far from perfect.

For CX-60 Current Version for Mazda Connect is EU07 14024.
TCU is 10082.
Remote Tuner, varies.

Updates fix so many bugs and working complaints.
If you wish to check, or how to, just Message me by 'clicking on my Avatar'....do not message in this thread.

Ash
If Mazda would make OTA work again, ALOT of issues could be solved and dealers would be relieved of unhappy customers…

I assume OTA is not on the roadmap?
 
If Mazda would make OTA work again, ALOT of issues could be solved and dealers would be relieved of unhappy customers…

I assume OTA is not on the roadmap?
The OTA dosent fix inherent running problems with the car though, just some basic (but admittedly some annoying) infotainment issues. Are people really unhappy just because of an infotainment issue?
 
Those who are on the motorbility scheme,were you given the option to have a new car ?My issue happened after 6 days only 200 miles.I also understand that the 'within 30 days' consumer rights of full refund or replacement still applies on motorbility cars..The cx60 is a lovely car and ticks all boxes for my disability and daily living.Having repaired i just know will cause my paranoid mindset to kick in expecting it to hapoen every journey.If car replaced it could happen also,so i dont know if to pursue the repair option hoping that is end of issue,or push for new car but risk of the whole drama happening again..Nothing on the motorbility scheme comes close for what you get.So i really want to avoid choosing another make of car,but i also dont want to spend my whole lease worrying these issues will hapoen again.Mine happened on the motorway and really scared me.
Having the car on Motability is literally the best position there is to be in.

We have seen many be able to get rid of the car on the scheme in the UK Facebook group with ease compared to those suffering with the motoring ombudsman, rogue dealers, and many having to absorb the huge financial loss by getting rid through PX.

CX60 Owners Facebook Group UK

My advice, get rid as soon as problems appear otherwise you could be in for a long ride of difficulties.

I do understand that with the increase in the price of new vehicles in the UK, the Motability price cap dosen't leave much available with the same spec, but is it worth carrying on with what is inherently a car with many unresolved problems, or just taking something more proven and finessed albeit a lower spec/size? I know what I'd personally be doing. I've had two years of unrelenting problems and stress with this car, Mazda and the dealer that sold it to me.
 
The OTA dosent fix inherent running problems with the car though, just some basic (but admittedly some annoying) infotainment issues. Are people really unhappy just because of an infotainment issue?
I don’t think so tbh. I assumed all sort of updates come in through the infotainment OTA, since it’s on the canbus: eg the tank ventilation issue, radar cruise control issues, BSM, headlights, …
 
I don’t think so tbh. I assumed all sort of updates come in through the infotainment OTA, since it’s on the canbus: eg the tank ventilation issue, radar cruise control issues, BSM, headlights, …
None of that ever happened, it was only Infotainment updates, and the OTA can only handle tiny file sizes.

I think what you're asking is why can't Mazda operate like say Volvo does with whole car updates done remotely? But we have seen the issues even Volvo had with those updates with many cars becoming bricked and they are very ahead of the times than Mazda in this. I do agree with you though, if Mazda could do that it would probably reduce many customer annoyances, but how many more would it create if your car got bricked because of it? Mazda just arent good enough in my view to manage something like that and they certainly aren't equipped in the UK to manage the fallout from it going wrong, it takes weeks just to get a booking for a simple issue, and then that takes weeks to get sorted if it needs Mazda to be involved, diagnose and authorise a repair.

Remember that dealers get paid by Mazda for these 'fixes', its part of how dealers make their revenue. The profits arent in actual sales anymore, its warranty and servicing, and even then, the warranty work is done at 'reduced' rates and Mazda's is some of the lowest rates, so many dealers put warranty claims on the back burner till they have space, at least in the UK they do, which just adds to customer frustrations. When the CX60 hit, and being as problematic as its been, dealers went from having full books with retail work to having to fit in constant CX60 returns - thus losing money in the process.

We here a lot of stories in the FB group that if the dealer your car gets recovered to , if its not the supplying dealer, it most certainly will only be worked on when they find a gap in their retail work.
 
Yes, OTA is only for Mazda Connect using Public Networks which limit file size to 250MB, as all of Mazdas Connect updates are usually over 1GB.
OTA works for North American made Mazda CX-50 in Alabama MTM new plant, CX-50 owners had 1 file update for Connect of 205MB about a year ago and nothing much since then, a standalone Mazda Connect update has since been released as OTA is too restrictive.

The only other form of Software/Firmware is done @ Dealer level for cars System Updates for cars Control Modules.
This is a live portal for Calibration File Downloads, they are not stored in PC like old IDS (Ford licensed).
The Diagnostic Application is called MDARS and is licenced by Bosch, it is a Bosch/Mazda system, MDARS started with 7 Generation model BP Mazda 3 in 2019.
The VCI module used to communicate from Laptop with MDARS to cars OBD Port is called a PassThrough and Mazda uses Bosch made Mazda VCM II.
In 2025 Mazda are using a new passthrough unit made by DENSO Japan for exclusive use with MDARS 7 Gen Models using MDARS and can't be used with Mazda IDS (Gen 6 and before).

It is very wrong Dealers don't make money out of Warranty Claims, having done this for my first Mazda Dealer warranty claims are a loss to break even as Mazdas rates are really low both in hourly rate (repair times) paid and the labour claims cash rate, most R and R claims don't pay anymore than 0.3 of an hour to 0.5, like the recent rear shock replacement on CX-60 Mazda Pays a Dealer 0.9 hour.
Engine Assembly replacement about 12 hours.
Transmissions (MX-5) 2.1 hours.
These are all set coded rates and obviously depends on Model and varies.

New Parts being replaced (if applicable), all Parts for Warranty Claims are paid for by the Dealer Parts Department, they are not given to the Dealer, the Dealer when submitting the warranty claim claims for Labour and any Parts, at end of month the Dealer is reimbursed from MME or UK Service. Again the Parts reimbursement is at a set rate off list price. Usually about every quarter the Dealer is visted by MME Rep to check off Waranty claims via Dealer claim number and the defective parts removed from the car, the Rep briefing looks at the old part and bins it in Dealers bin.
Sometimes a warranty part maybe returned with Rep.
Sometimes a Dealer Warranty Claim is rejected because the old part is not there or tagged correctly, in this rare case the Dealer wears all costs (a total loss).

Why would a Dealer put a Customers car on the backburner?, sure the repair is scheduled as it depends how busy the Dealer is (man hours available), usually waiting on a replacement new part(s) or advice from Mazda. Priority is always retail first, but if the part is there and the owner drops off the car the Service Manager wants the car out of the shop ASAP.

All Service Departments today in medium to large Dealers run on performance management schedules, labour hours available against labour hours sold (totals used), number of cars in the shop and the time spent in shop for Retail, Pre-Delivery and Warranty.

All fun....

HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL.!
 
Yes, OTA is only for Mazda Connect using Public Networks which limit file size to 250MB, as all of Mazdas Connect updates are usually over 1GB.
OTA works for North American made Mazda CX-50 in Alabama MTM new plant, CX-50 owners had 1 file update for Connect of 205MB about a year ago and nothing much since then, a standalone Mazda Connect update has since been released as OTA is too restrictive.

The only other form of Software/Firmware is done @ Dealer level for cars System Updates for cars Control Modules.
This is a live portal for Calibration File Downloads, they are not stored in PC like old IDS (Ford licensed).
The Diagnostic Application is called MDARS and is licenced by Bosch, it is a Bosch/Mazda system, MDARS started with 7 Generation model BP Mazda 3 in 2019.
The VCI module used to communicate from Laptop with MDARS to cars OBD Port is called a PassThrough and Mazda uses Bosch made Mazda VCM II.
In 2025 Mazda are using a new passthrough unit made by DENSO Japan for exclusive use with MDARS 7 Gen Models using MDARS and can't be used with Mazda IDS (Gen 6 and before).

It is very wrong Dealers don't make money out of Warranty Claims, having done this for my first Mazda Dealer warranty claims are a loss to break even as Mazdas rates are really low both in hourly rate (repair times) paid and the labour claims cash rate, most R and R claims don't pay anymore than 0.3 of an hour to 0.5, like the recent rear shock replacement on CX-60 Mazda Pays a Dealer 0.9 hour.
Engine Assembly replacement about 12 hours.
Transmissions (MX-5) 2.1 hours.
These are all set coded rates and obviously depends on Model and varies.

New Parts being replaced (if applicable), all Parts for Warranty Claims are paid for by the Dealer Parts Department, they are not given to the Dealer, the Dealer when submitting the warranty claim claims for Labour and any Parts, at end of month the Dealer is reimbursed from MME or UK Service. Again the Parts reimbursement is at a set rate off list price. Usually about every quarter the Dealer is visted by MME Rep to check off Waranty claims via Dealer claim number and the defective parts removed from the car, the Rep briefing looks at the old part and bins it in Dealers bin.
Sometimes a warranty part maybe returned with Rep.
Sometimes a Dealer Warranty Claim is rejected because the old part is not there or tagged correctly, in this rare case the Dealer wears all costs (a total loss).

Why would a Dealer put a Customers car on the backburner?, sure the repair is scheduled as it depends how busy the Dealer is (man hours available), usually waiting on a replacement new part(s) or advice from Mazda. Priority is always retail first, but if the part is there and the owner drops off the car the Service Manager wants the car out of the shop ASAP.

All Service Departments today in medium to large Dealers run on performance management schedules, labour hours available against labour hours sold (totals used), number of cars in the shop and the time spent in shop for Retail, Pre-Delivery and Warranty.

All fun....

HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL.!
Happy new year to all of you Mazda owners!!

That’s quite an extensive explanation of the processes behind warranty claims. Thanks for clarifying all this!

When my car goes in, it’s always a guessing game and hoping they did their job in MDARS. I updated the infotainment myself, right after my dealer told me that “everything“ was updated when my car went in for a few things (CarPlay issues was one of them). Now I understand why… For other stuff (parts) I can’t complain: they don’t ask questions and just order and replace whatever I need (also thanks to your TSB list ofc).

The explanation of you and SE also provide some insight in why OTA isn’t used anymore (and certainly not for non-infotainment modules). Then I can only continue what I’m doing already: keep complaining about stuff until I’m satisfied.

Am going to do a 5.000kms roadtrip in april; I still have some issues left that I want to have solved by then.
 
Hello HellsBells and others.

And for all here, if you are PC capable I highly recommend you check cars inside (cabin) updates on feature updates like Mazda Connect, Radio, TCU, as so many Dealer simply don't do these, it really annoys me.

I help Mazda owners all over the world and UK Mazda Dealers are the worse, then EU, USA. Canada and Australia are the "better" ones but far from perfect.

For CX-60 Current Version for Mazda Connect is EU07 14024.
TCU is 10082.
Remote Tuner, varies.

Updates fix so many bugs and working complaints.
If you wish to check, or how to, just Message me by 'clicking on my Avatar'....do not message in this thread.

Ash
My (good) dealer ensures that I always have all the latest updates, which makes my CX-60 a very nice and enjoyable car to drive👍
 
Same issue.
UK version CX60 build between April 2024 and December 2024.
We just had it new arrived 18 Dec. 2024
1 week later Hybrid System Malfunction. Hybrid System Electrical Leakage.
It got "fixed" at the dealers, but 2 days later again same issue.
It happened both times after car was parked after a not so long drive (engine normal mode, battery 1/4 full, not enough for ev only drive.), and then wanting to drive back home. (so car had cooled down between trip 1 and the upcoming trip 2)

Many people write here it happened when they drive or in ev mode. And they mentioned to cooling pump failure.
Our car has cooled down before starting for the next trip, and nothing indicated on trip 1there is an issue, so how can the pump fail after switching the car off and before starting it again?
Does the pump do something like a cool down period after engine shutdown and that's the moment it fails?

And why can we not just continue to drive the car in motor mode, disconnect the hybrid ev system, so we can at least get home or to a dealer?
Mazda need to find a solution for this!
100miles on the clock, car basically 2 weeks old... 🙈
I'm gonna ask the dealer about this TSB I read on another topic, about failing pumps. Will post later the outcome.
 
My car was towed yesterday with the same faults. 13 days old less than 600miles on the clock. Before the fault occurred I'd driven the car the in the morning with a full battery and the car wouldn't enter EV mode, about an hour after getting home went to nip to the supermarket and as soon as I went to start the vehicle, faults came up and locked me in park. The mazda technician that came out to my car said he'd seen more than 10 cx-60 phevs in the last week with the same fault. Is been really cold in the UK up north recently so not sure if that's affecting the cooling pump.
 

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My car was towed yesterday with the same faults. 13 days old less than 600miles on the clock. Before the fault occurred I'd driven the car the in the morning with a full battery and the car wouldn't enter EV mode, about an hour after getting home went to nip to the supermarket and as soon as I went to start the vehicle, faults came up and locked me in park. The mazda technician that came out to my car said he'd seen more than 10 cx-60 phevs in the last week with the same fault. Is been really cold in the UK up north recently so not sure if that's affecting the cooling pump.
Update, madza replaced the battery today which has resolved all the faults.
 
Hi all, has anyone else experienced the hybrid system malfunction warning, intermittent lack of power?Got a long trip planned next week and no hope of getting into a dealer any time soon also have the below issues thatI see have been report. Radio not turning on straight away Knock / creak from front end Wallowing ride Vibrating rear seat belt Cx60 homura - 7 weeks old & 5514 miles
Wallowing ride in 2022 PHEV model. Immediately fixed by the dealer with 4 different dumpers. Hybrid system malfunction I have only go an alarm. Dealer replaced a pump the same day and never came up again. For the last year and a half no issues to report. 2,5 Years 22500 miles. Note the dealer replaced the bumpers and dismantled the four doors for better noise insulation after I complained. Three software updates were done. I know one fixed the jerky transmission.
 
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