Mazda CX 60 - 3.3 diesel
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Its just a Regen cycle, standard on all diesels.
Wont matter too much, will restart it next drive if its still needed.
There is such a common internet repeated misconception that diesels are no good for short journeys. You just have to remember to go for a30-45 minute drive once every 2-3 weeks to do a regeneration cycle and you’re all good.
Tbh at times id leave my Audi at least eight weeks of short journeys before doing it, you notice the power output/ response flattens a bit so you know its time!
There is such a common internet repeated misconception that diesels are no good for short journeys. You just have to remember to go for a30-45 minute drive once every 2-3 weeks to do a regeneration cycle and you’re all good.
Tbh at times id leave my Audi at least eight weeks of short journeys before doing it, you notice the power output/ response flattens a bit so you know its time!
Yes of course..the engine just needs to be at full operating temperature for over 30 minutes normally for a regen to start if the car detects it is needed
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Potential oil dilution issues if the engine is stopped during the regency cycle?
A warm engine is not available when driving in queues and in cities, it is possible for the DPF to regenerate but it does not remove soot in the intake manifold and EGR valve, and this is primarily what causes expensive repairs when the engine does not warm up properly.
Any mechanic will recommend short trips in diesel cars if he has nothing to do.
Driving at low speeds and short distances clogs up your Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) quickly
Any mechanic will recommend short trips in diesel cars if he has nothing to do.
Driving at low speeds and short distances clogs up your Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) quickly
After owning Diesels for ten years in Central London, mainly short journeys obviously being Central London, I’ve never had a DPF issues once or actually any issues on any part of the engine and exhaust, so I must be doing something right unless there is a bigger world conspiracy at play …and yet my first experience of a PHEV has been a disaster.
I do enjoy the conspiracy stories though, much of it created by lobbying industries that wish to sell new ‘technology’ and then this rhetoric is repeated on the internet. Lols.
I do enjoy the conspiracy stories though, much of it created by lobbying industries that wish to sell new ‘technology’ and then this rhetoric is repeated on the internet. Lols.
People should probably investigate for themselves, what consequences short trips in diesel have before they buy on the basis of individual owners, who have had the holy grail, try to get it in writing when buying the car, that it does not require more maintenance for mainly short trips
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Yes, I agree, buyers should buy diesels and find out its all a bit of a con, as long as they take reasonable care to look after their DPF as mentioned above. Good post.
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Not a conspiracy story at all; I based my question on my four years of ownership of a Land Rover Discovery Sport diesel that had significant problems with oil dilution based on the dpf regen cycles during low mileage use. I haven’t looked at the Mazda diesel engine architecture to see if it is similar to the Disco Sport hence why I asked it as a question, not a statement.
The reliability of JLR needs no questions..
I'd agree it is not a conspiracy theory at all. I have my own experience of a CX5 having absolutely awful economy due to DPF regen. My advice is worthless, but I'd say avoid unless you do big miles including regular longer journeys. YMMV, technology might be much better in the CX60.
Probably one of the first ones, i'm Test driving the 200 HP Diesel right now and will be until Friday.
If you expect BMW X3 Levels of refinement, look at the BMW. But if you consider the price, i think it's all right. Suspension is hard and can be a bit bumpy at times, but i don't mind it that much. Getting Sideways however upsets it a bit too much and it hits the bump stop - but who goes Sideways in a 200 HP SUV anyway
(And for what it's worth, the BMW does the same - Mazda and BMW can't just disable physics)
Quality wise in the interior it's on par with the BMW. Most definitely a class above what Mercedes does right now. Controls are an absolute joy to use and so on - but that's the same on the PHEV, so i won't go in to that detail. There's one thing i do not like as a Mercedes driver and that's the missing A/B (or rather "Since Start/Since Reset") trip computers. I do not like that it's burried in the central display and the function is extremely limited.
The Engine is superb. Yes, it has a bit of a Turbo Lag even with the 48V System, but the 6-Cylinder feeling is absolutely there. I just wish it had a bit more "bass" between 1500 and 2500 RPM. Transmission needs a bit of fine tuning, but it's not bad. There's a bit of jerkiness in some situations, but it's not knocking out your teeth. Overall, i very much like the 6-Cylinder with the Transmission. It also feels very "alive", as even though most torque converter automatics nowadays have clutches, they still can take some time to "go". (Granted, if you wan't ZF like shifts and responsiveness, your only choice is actually a ZF or a DSG, but that's because they have had years and years to tune the software and hydraulic clutch curves and so on)
I still have to do some high speed Autobahn driving (but that's mostly unimportant for every other country), Fuel Consumption is "okay-ish", haven't had the chance to do some real eco driving. Right now it says 5,8 l/100 km, but that's with quite a lot of idling and some very sporty driving.
What i am absolutely blown away by is the Interior Quality and how much you can throw this thing in to curves. Outside of Porsche and BMW, i never expected a SUV to like curves. It feels very "alive" - that may be a bad thing for those that seek a "cushy" driving experience, because it somehow animates you to drive. I've been using a lot of the driver assistance in the Mercedes - i don't really want to in the Mazda, because it's an absolute drivers car. The TCS is very liberal - it let's the back out quite often if you really step on it (especially as it's pretty cold right now here and the summer tires really don't work that great in these temps). The only downside is, that if the back steps out it get's a bit bumpy.
Seats are no where near the "full" Massage/Comfort seats in the BMW/Mercedes, but i don't think you can expect that with over 20k Euros in difference. The seats are okay though.
Some Videos:
(I'll be taking a few more)
If you expect BMW X3 Levels of refinement, look at the BMW. But if you consider the price, i think it's all right. Suspension is hard and can be a bit bumpy at times, but i don't mind it that much. Getting Sideways however upsets it a bit too much and it hits the bump stop - but who goes Sideways in a 200 HP SUV anyway
(And for what it's worth, the BMW does the same - Mazda and BMW can't just disable physics)Quality wise in the interior it's on par with the BMW. Most definitely a class above what Mercedes does right now. Controls are an absolute joy to use and so on - but that's the same on the PHEV, so i won't go in to that detail. There's one thing i do not like as a Mercedes driver and that's the missing A/B (or rather "Since Start/Since Reset") trip computers. I do not like that it's burried in the central display and the function is extremely limited.
The Engine is superb. Yes, it has a bit of a Turbo Lag even with the 48V System, but the 6-Cylinder feeling is absolutely there. I just wish it had a bit more "bass" between 1500 and 2500 RPM. Transmission needs a bit of fine tuning, but it's not bad. There's a bit of jerkiness in some situations, but it's not knocking out your teeth. Overall, i very much like the 6-Cylinder with the Transmission. It also feels very "alive", as even though most torque converter automatics nowadays have clutches, they still can take some time to "go". (Granted, if you wan't ZF like shifts and responsiveness, your only choice is actually a ZF or a DSG, but that's because they have had years and years to tune the software and hydraulic clutch curves and so on)
I still have to do some high speed Autobahn driving (but that's mostly unimportant for every other country), Fuel Consumption is "okay-ish", haven't had the chance to do some real eco driving. Right now it says 5,8 l/100 km, but that's with quite a lot of idling and some very sporty driving.
What i am absolutely blown away by is the Interior Quality and how much you can throw this thing in to curves. Outside of Porsche and BMW, i never expected a SUV to like curves. It feels very "alive" - that may be a bad thing for those that seek a "cushy" driving experience, because it somehow animates you to drive. I've been using a lot of the driver assistance in the Mercedes - i don't really want to in the Mazda, because it's an absolute drivers car. The TCS is very liberal - it let's the back out quite often if you really step on it (especially as it's pretty cold right now here and the summer tires really don't work that great in these temps). The only downside is, that if the back steps out it get's a bit bumpy.
Seats are no where near the "full" Massage/Comfort seats in the BMW/Mercedes, but i don't think you can expect that with over 20k Euros in difference. The seats are okay though.
Some Videos:
(I'll be taking a few more)
Totaly agree. Im picking my 254 AWD Diesel up tomorrow (for short trips hurrah) but I test drove their new demo AWD car last week, and boy is it a different car compared the PHEV. Its much lighter and nimble, the suspension glides bumps rather than attacks them, it just feels like that was how the car was designed to be until they loaded it with a company car pleasing engine.Probably one of the first ones, i'm Test driving the 200 HP Diesel right now and will be until Friday.
If you expect BMW X3 Levels of refinement, look at the BMW. But if you consider the price, i think it's all right. Suspension is hard and can be a bit bumpy at times, but i don't mind it that much. Getting Sideways however upsets it a bit too much and it hits the bump stop - but who goes Sideways in a 200 HP SUV anyway
Quality wise in the interior it's on par with the BMW. Most definitely a class above what Mercedes does right now. Controls are an absolute joy to use and so on - but that's the same on the PHEV, so i won't go in to that detail. There's one thing i do not like as a Mercedes driver and that's the missing A/B (or rather "Since Start/Since Reset") trip computers. I do not like that it's burried in the central display and the function is extremely limited.
The Engine is superb. Yes, it has a bit of a Turbo Lag even with the 48V System, but the 6-Cylinder feeling is absolutely there. I just wish it had a bit more "bass" between 1500 and 2500 RPM. Transmission needs a bit of fine tuning, but it's not bad. There's a bit of jerkiness in some situations, but it's not knocking out your teeth. Overall, i very much like the 6-Cylinder with the Transmission. It also feels very "alive", as even though most torque converter automatics nowadays have clutches, they still can take some time to "go". (Granted, if you wan't ZF like shifts and responsiveness, your only choice is actually a ZF or a DSG, but that's because they have had years and years to tune the software and hydraulic clutch curves and so on)
I still have to do some high speed Autobahn driving (but that's mostly unimportant for every other country), Fuel Consumption is "okay-ish", haven't had the chance to do some real eco driving. Right now it says 5,8 l/100 km, but that's with quite a lot of idling and some very sporty driving.
What i am absolutely blown away by is the Interior Quality and how much you can throw this thing in to curves. Outside of Porsche and BMW, i never expected a SUV to like curves. It feels very "alive" - that may be a bad thing for those that seek a "cushy" driving experience, because it somehow animates you to drive. I've been using a lot of the driver assistance in the Mercedes - i don't really want to in the Mazda, because it's an absolute drivers car. The TCS is very liberal - it let's the back out quite often if you really step on it (especially as it's pretty cold right now here and the summer tires really don't work that great in these temps). The only downside is, that if the back steps out it get's a bit bumpy.
Seats are no where near the "full" Massage/Comfort seats in the BMW/Mercedes, but i don't think you can expect that with over 20k Euros in difference. The seats are okay though.
Some Videos:
(I'll be taking a few more)
Of course its a bit more noisy round town, but the full throttle chant is a beautiful sound compared to the raspy angered strangled 4 cylinder petrol, so swings both ways. I will miss the quietness of the EV around town for sure.
I'm not convinced its a drivers car though in any of its engine guises, in comparison to say an F-Pace or a Stelvio, but its a much nicer long distance cruiser than those. The seating position is better than both, although the seats are too short for tall people.
If you think the suspension is hard and bumpy in the diesel, you should try living with the PHEV, its a real bone shaker.
I am worried about the transmission - I am hoping to lose the jerkiness of the PHEV..have you driven a PHEV?
But my views may change after a few months of ownership. I am not a fan boi and I try not to give in to expectational bias - I'll tell it truthfully and honestly, no matter if it means I made a mistake or not.
I've never driven the F-Pace or the Stelvio, but i have driven both X3 and GLC. Drivers car is also something very subjective...so YMMV.
I have driven the PHEV and i have not experienced the jerkiness (or more than the Diesel has) of the Transmission or the Suspension. I'd say in the Diesel it's a tad below the 9G-Tronic in my Mercedes - that has also occasional jerks and "hard-ish" shifts.
If you drive an F Pace or Stelvio, you instantly think you're in a saloon car and want to drive faster and faster. That's a drivers car to me, the GLC and X3 definitely arent. The CX60 is more of a mid range 'plodder' , it's not something that makes me want to drive quickly nor does it give me much confidence on its skinny wheels for a car this tall, but that's why I prefr it. I could have bought either of the above, but my race car days have passed and I want more sensible
The PHEV is full of jerkiness but its not all the time..it can be violent and random occasionally, but then be perfectly fine for a while. Its a bizarre car.
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