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Wow, an incredible effort and priceless pictures, a Big Thanks for that (y)
How many hours went to the pure labour?

As I didn't want to put anything on pillars, I've put a lot of material on trims.
What was the main reason to avoid those pillars?
 
It took me about 6-7hrs so far, probably same or more to finish it up.
No bitumen on pillars, as the metal is very thick there and there is no chance it will resonate. However there were a lot of (technological they called I guess) holes, so I'm planning to blank them off with normal tape. That's it there.
 
as the metal is very thick there and there is no chance it will resonate.
Are you sure about that?
A church bell is orders of magnitude thicker, but it resonates even better ;)

Maybe we need to ponder a little how the metallic matter is conducting the sound, not only reflecting it, resonating with it or occluding it...
On very old ships, pre-intercom era, sailors could communicate with each other across the whole ship by talking to the metal pipes running across the hull. The sound is a tricky devil, no?
 
A church bell is orders of magnitude thicker, but it resonates even better
I'm pretty sure, that any Mazda bells would look great, but sounds like a tin can :) They are the best in that :p

UK roads are specific. On motorways, especially old ones, not resurfaced in last 10 years or so, there are a lot of stones which make them very porous. Excellent for a rain, terrible for sound - constant "white noise with bass added to it". Some local road resurfaced with just some kind of small crushed stones glued to old surface with bitumen mass are even worse.

I've driven in almost every European country and none of these places had louder roads than UK, with exclusion of small sections on Belgium/Netherland ones which makes a weird "UFO" sound effect.

So for me might be little or no difference, but on actual proper EU roads you might have just "nice" wind noise left.
 
@darrecki

not sure if your pics are showing finalized work. But it does not look like you’ve been rolling the mats. It’s is very important to do so.

Not rolling the mats = significantly reduced performance. 30-70%

Proper rolling = full damping effect, long-lasting, no need for rework.

great work so far anyway 👌
 
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@darrecki

not sure if your pics are showing finalized work. But it does not look like you’ve been rolling the mats. It’s is very important to do so.

Not rolling the mats = significantly reduced performance. 30-70%

Proper rolling = full damping effect, long-lasting, no need for rework.

great work so far anyway 👌
Also stops any moisture getting behind it, if moisture gets behind it on Madza tin, rust will follow fairly soon!
 
Also stops any moisture getting behind it, if moisture gets behind it on Madza tin, rust will follow fairly soon!
I did not roll anything, as the mats I used were thin. All was done by "massaging" by hand. All stick perfectly, no air bubbles behind. There is no single flat square inch on those surfaces, rolling would not work.

In the meantime I've done front wheel arches and B pillar which was a pain in the bottom. I'll update my post at some point.
 
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I did not roll anything, as the mats I used were thin. All was done by "massaging" by hand. All stick perfectly, no air bubbles behind. There is no single flat square inch on those surfaces, rolling would not work.

In the meantime I've done front wheel arches and B pillar which was a pain in the bottom. I'll update my post at some point.
You do need to roll it...I managed to roll the majority of mine in the same areas, you can different size rollers off Amazon, bit tedious but certainly stops the hand ache from trying to press it.

I was considering doing the B pillar next week now its back from its usual two week dealer car park stay, let me know if you saw any results from it!
 
You do need to roll it...
Now it is a bit to late, all is assembled and covered with foam as well. I've done it exactly same way in my previous cars, nothing fell of in 10 years, tin cans didn't rust either.

When I was doing 1st car, those bitumen mats were all the same, dig out few old ones and there like today's 4mm (or even more) thick ones. I've added 60-70kg to old car, this one won't be more than 20-25kg with those 2mm ones (which are not).

I do not have any documentations for B pillar, and the clips on top part of it are completely different than any other on the car so far. Only 2 of them and took me ages to take off bottom one, top one by roof liner did not even budge. Bottom part goes easily though (after 1st top clip undone). So for now I do not recommend playing with it.
 
nothing fell of in 10 years,
This is not the point @Southeastern made.
Those mats have a particular 3D pattern on the back side. This pattern disappears only after sufficiently rolling over it several times.
It is there to assure that the mat was rolled hard enough.

Why it is important?

Because only the part which is tightly laminated to the metal sheet (and this means no air gap, no matter how infinitesimally small) can absorb the sound energy transferred by the whole metal sheet from one of its sides to the other.

Parts of mat separated from the metal sheet by air bubbles will only eat some energy (which already passed through the metal sheet and only directly under the mat), but nothing more. They are not participating in vibrations of the entire sheet, merely occluding a little part of it.

But the mat correctly united with the metal sheet, on the other hand, drains the entire sheet, even outside of the part covered by the mat. This is why one does not need to cover the entire surface with the mat.

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A side note:
Sometimes it makes interpreting and understanding complex things a lot easier when one can imagine contributing factors extremely exaggerated. Absurdly exaggerated.

I'll try to do that for you:

Imagine two identical, planar metal sheets one square meter each. They are hanging on the clothesline (like to dry, haha 🤣).
In the middle of the first sheet, you roll on a bitumen mat, of one tenth of this metal sheet size (0.1m2), making sure there are no air bubbles between it and the metal sheet.
In the middle of the second sheet, you install a little hook and just hang the bitumen mat by its corner on this hook, very, very close to the sheet, however not touching it.
These are two extremes.

Now you hit each metal sheet on the other side with a stone.
One will give just a thump, the other one will sound like a church bell.
Both are carrying the very same materials (sans hook).
 
Hello, I have quietened my CX60 - from 72dB during stops I have gone down to 66dB! When I drive around town I really do not hear this noise from outside, on the highway it is really very quiet. My doors are really noticeably heavier and closing them is like in a super premium brand. Here are a few photos of soundproofing the back.

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It was a bit trampled underfoot because I was sitting inside :oops::ROFLMAO:
 
Hello, I have quietened my CX60 - from 72dB during stops I have gone down to 66dB! When I drive around town I really do not hear this noise from outside, on the highway it is really very quiet. My doors are really noticeably heavier and closing them is like in a super premium brand. Here are a few photos of soundproofing the back.

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It was a bit trampled underfoot because I was sitting inside :oops::ROFLMAO:
Are you a surgeon or watchmaker by profession? This is so neatly.
 
Are you a surgeon or watchmaker by profession? This is so neatly.
I'm an engineer 🤣 . I think that since everything is already open, we have to do it as best as we can.

I am afraid this car will now need an efficient dehumidifier installed year around (because condensing moisture have no longer any escape ways left).
Perhaps, time will tell.

We've had standard English weather for a few weeks now and I've yet to notice any damp inside or on the windows.
 
I'm an engineer 🤣 . I think that since everything is already open, we have to do it as best as we can.


Perhaps, time will tell.

We've had standard English weather for a few weeks now and I've yet to notice any damp inside or on the windows.
Yes, windows are a very good indicator, especially those facing north (cool first).
As you know, the amount of humidity the air can hold depends on its (air) temperature and pressure. The higher temperature, the more humidity.
When warm air meet the colder surface it cools down locally, and when humidity it is holding there exceeds the maximum for this temperature it immediately unloads the overshooting amount (here: on this surface).

The body of the car, which always cool first, will collect the most of condensed water on the inside.
If this water is trapped somewhere where the air can not circulate freely, water will only accumulate there with time.
 
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