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I will star a new Thread on this: Calipers - painting / covers, when I will have more pictures with mine.
I’ve painted them in blue ( but forget to take proper pictures), only have a few with the wheels on.

Will do some proper ones in 1 month or so, when I will have the car in Service and all the wheels will be off.

In the meantime, here it is how looks like:

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I painted my callipers last year in Black and then ceramic coated them, I almost did them Red and felt it may be a bit much...
 
The one benefit of having my entire engine and gearbox taken out (to replace the transmission that has failed in 150 miles) is being able to soundproof the transmission tunnel and bulkhead - may not be needed on the PHEV as much but the Diesel is one noisy engine ans against Mazda tin can sheet metal its a brain blaster , and now it drives and sounds much more like a premium car should, no more migraines since its been done!

I use the Pirelli noise cancelling tyres which has reduced road roar a LOT, so haven't felt the need to do the wheel arches..yet anyway. But all my doors were done with proper Kilmat so that really helps. Make sure you do the tailgate!

Irony factor - Dealer told Mazda one of the reasons they are refusing my vehicle rejection/refund is because the car is 'modified' which can only relate to the soundproofing which they 1, did themselves and 2, never told me this - they will try anything!
Sorry to hear you still have problem with the car after changing the gearbox 😱😒. There are a lot of things wrong with this car 😡 - being a completely new model, not tested enough before being pit on the market. But I think the big difference is the Dealer.
Mine is super good (Schuster - in Ansbach Germany 😁🤗). He is trying to help with everything that he can, even fighting with Mazda for his customers - to get the latest updates, repairs, parts.
I got the new “F” version shock absorbers recently changed for free ( initially Mazda rejected it, but then he got them for me 👍). A key not here: they’ve improved the car’s rear behavior, but is still not premium. Let’s say better than before.
Now have an appointment to change the DAB tuner with a new one. Constantly loosing signal.
And discussion - unfortunately still in progress - for the new “C” version prop-shaft. Already changed ones.

It is important you find a good Dealer (if you can) that even if Mazda is slow in accepting mistakes / parts needing to be changed / improved, etc - the Dealer is actually “fighting for you”.
That’s why I am bloody driving 250 km (roundtrip) to go and service / repair with him, rather the Mazda one I have in the city I live (which is literally 10 km away). A difficult one that I only had problems in the past.

P.S. You have done also the rear arches Soundproofing - right?
How difficult was to take the rear panes out?
Any risk of breaking something (clips, etc).
I am thinking to ask my dealer to take them out for me and leave them in the trunk at my next visit, so I can do the Soundproofing of Arches, ar my own pace later. I assume outting them back will be much easier.
 
I painted my callipers last year in Black and then ceramic coated them, I almost did them Red and felt it may be a bit much...
How have you done the ceramic coat?
Can you do it yourself, any product recommendation?
Or is better to be done by professionals.

I am thinking about doing this too, to protect the paint a little bit longer (although I applied 3 layers 😏)
 
Discussion starter · #44 ·
Sorry to hear you still have problem with the car after changing the gearbox 😱😒. There are a lot of things wrong with this car 😡 - being a completely new model, not tested enough before being pit on the market. But I think the big difference is the Dealer.
Mine is super good (Schuster - in Ansbach Germany 😁🤗). He is trying to help with everything that he can, even fighting with Mazda for his customers - to get the latest updates, repairs, parts.
I got the new “F” version shock absorbers recently changed for free ( initially Mazda rejected it, but then he got them for me 👍). A key not here: they’ve improved the car’s rear behavior, but is still not premium. Let’s say better than before.
Now have an appointment to change the DAB tuner with a new one. Constantly loosing signal.
And discussion - unfortunately still in progress - for the new “C” version prop-shaft. Already changed ones.

It is important you find a good Dealer (if you can) that even if Mazda is slow in accepting mistakes / parts needing to be changed / improved, etc - the Dealer is actually “fighting for you”.
That’s why I am bloody driving 250 km (roundtrip) to go and service / repair with him, rather the Mazda one I have in the city I live (which is literally 10 km away). A difficult one that I only had problems in the past.

P.S. You have done also the rear arches Soundproofing - right?
How difficult was to take the rear panes out?
Any risk of breaking something (clips, etc).
I am thinking to ask my dealer to take them out for me and leave them in the trunk at my next visit, so I can do the Soundproofing of Arches, ar my own pace later. I assume outting them back will be much easier.
Oh my dealer (TW Whites and Sons, Orpington) definitely doesn't 'fight' for me, they are trying their best to distance themselves from me and making it as difficult as ever to have the car repaired - won't give courtesy cars when car is in for repair, calls other dealers to block my car getting repaired there, refuses to adhere to various consumer laws etc. I think they only do warranty work when their workshop is quiet, so they can cash on the warranty stuff (which they get a lower rate from Mazda for than retail work).

I managed just to take out a few clips and pull back the liner and get my hand in there, I didn't remove it entirely in fear of breaking something. I just slapped a few pieces on the arch itself and inner walls and rollered it on. Wasnt too bad to do. Ill do the arches properly from the underneath one day..

Ceramic - I didnt do it myself on this car, but I will on the next , you just need inside space and a couple of days prep and know how to use a micro polisher and have some good lighting.
 
Sounds good! How much do I need for the Trunk please?
Would like to order it from Amazon, or any other suggestion on the material?
Thanks.
 
Sounds good! How much do I need for the Trunk please?
Would like to order it from Amazon, or any other suggestion on the material?
Thanks.
I bought from Amazon the Alubutyl in the 2.5mm format from a producer called Kilmat.
I needed 9 sheets for the bottom trunk and 3 for the hood.
But I still need to do the wheel arches + wider trunk, so I reckon another 4 sheets or so for each side, so a max of 10 to have healthy safety-net.
So in total, I reckon with 20-25 sheets I have done / will do (hood, trunk, rear arches).
 
To be honest not really, or at least not what I was expected.

The rear worth doing it ( but including the arches too) as you will feel a difference (I am even feeling it now without the arches being done yet). And it’s improving the car stereo quality too, especially with the Bose subwoofer in the tin trunk.

However - at least for me - the car is still too loud in the front part / middle section yet, and not a premium feeling when driving it (in terms of noise generated and entering the cabin).
So I needed to do something here too.

Unfortunately there are other parts / sections that will need a better acoustical insulation before the engine bay area (car floor for sure, maybe front arches too, potentially double glasez windows). But these are not easily accessible or easy to change.

So instead I’ve done the hood too as I’ve bought initially 30 sheets of Kilmat, and was a very easy one to do with only 3 sheets to spare.

P.S. I also have a PHEV, and the engine is not so loud, plus 50% is driven in EV mode.
But maybe for a Diesel might be a better improvement (in terms of cabin quietness).

I fully recommend the rear and arches, and the hood (at least for PHEV) a nice to have.
 
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To be honest not really, or at least not what I was expected.

The rear worth doing it ( but including the arches too) as you will feel a difference (I am even feeling it now without the arches being done yet). And it’s improving the car stereo quality too, especially with the Bose subwoofer in the tin trunk.

However - at least for me - the car is still too loud in the front part / middle section yet, and not a premium feeling when driving it (in terms of noise generated and entering the cabin).
So I needed to do something here too.

Unfortunately there are other parts / sections that will need a better acoustical insulation before the engine bay area (car floor for sure, maybe front arches too, potentially double glasez windows). But these are not easily accessible or easy to change.

So instead I’ve done the hood too as I’ve bought initially 30 sheets of Kilmat, and was a very easy one to do with only 3 sheets to spear.

P.S. I also have a PHEV, and the engine is not so loud, plus 50% is driven in EV mode.
But maybe for a Diesel might be a better improvement (in terms of cabin quietness).

I fully recommend the rear and arches, and the hood (at least for PHEV) a nice to have.
The biggest difference for me was doing the doors properly and the transmission tunnel and bulkhead. On the Diesel this is an engine and box out job, but on the Phev you might be able to do some of the bulkhead from the engine bay and then take the interior and centre console out and do the transmission tunnel inside, and changing to the Pirelli PCNS tyres, so I think the wheel arches will have a big effect considering what those tyres did alone.

The tailgate is also very important to do as it acts like an echo chamber!
 
The biggest difference for me was doing the doors properly and the transmission tunnel and bulkhead. On the Diesel this is an engine and box out job, but on the Phev you might be able to do some of the bulkhead from the engine bay and then take the interior and centre console out and do the transmission tunnel inside, and changing to the Pirelli PCNS tyres, so I think the wheel arches will have a big effect considering what those tyres did alone.

The tailgate is also very important to do as it acts like an echo chamber!
I am already on Pirelli-s both summer (P Zero E) and winter (Scorpion Winter 2) with Elect, 69 dB, etc An improvement for sure (at least for me) from Bridgestone, in terms of road noise and handling.
 
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I am already on Pirelli-s both summer (P Zero E) and winter (Scorpion Winter 2) with Elect, 69 dB, etc An improvement for sure (at least for me) from Bridgestone, in terms of road noise and handling.
Neither of those have the PCNS I dont think so you could get better- have they got foam inside them?

The DB rating is drive by noise, not cabin noise
 
Neither of those have the PCNS I dont think so you could get better- have they got foam inside them?

The DB rating is drive by noise, not cabin noise
You might be right but for me there were some other criteria I looked for when ordering the tires: rolling resistance, run-flat/seal inside, and obviously good marks in wet / dry performance. And as low dB as possible / noice cancelation comes after.

As brands I looked mainly at Premium brands, and shortlisted Pirelli and Michelin. In the end I went with Pirelli with their Elect range, as these are tires design also for EV, with low rolling resistance, to squeeze more range from the same battery (they claim 10% more range, but even 5-7 % is OK). And as I have a PHEV and drive more that 50% in EV this was an important factor. In less than 2 years I passed 40.000 km, so rolling resistance is important for me.

Plus, as in Germany Mazda didn’t sell the car with a spate tire, but rather a joke of a tire repair kit, I wanted a tire that has run-flat or seal-inside properties too, so in case of a puncture I can still drive 40-50 km, even on motorway, until reaching a proper Service.
I am not too scare of workdays and normal hours as you can find a pretty decent tire service pretty much anywhere in Germany + ADAC. But try to do this at 22.00 on rainy Sunday night when you are returning home, or you are for your holiday in the middle of Croatia, or almost top of the mountain in Aosta Valley in Italy with the car full, kids and everything. Was in this occurred situation couple of times and try to avoid being there again.

Hence my two choices:
  • Summer: Pirelli P Zero E - with XL reinforced, Rim Protection, Elect, RunFlat and 69 dB
  • Winter: Pirelli Scorpion Winter 2 - with XL reinforced, Rim Protection, Elect, Seal Inside, 71 dB.

I am not saying these are the best, I am sure most premium brands will suite quite good the CX-60 with some good tires, even an All weather tire too.
But for me this was an optimal choice based on my needs and I am pretty satisfied with it.

P. S. I noticed my Dealer offers now for winter tires here in Germany, the same Pirelli model (Scorpion Winter 2) I initially privately installed since 2 years ago, when I bought the car. Coincidence ? 😁
 
I bought from Amazon the Alubutyl in the 2.5mm format from a producer called Kilmat.
I needed 9 sheets for the bottom trunk and 3 for the hood.
But I still need to do the wheel arches + wider trunk, so I reckon another 4 sheets or so for each side, so a max of 10 to have healthy safety-net.
So in total, I reckon with 20-25 sheets I have done / will do (hood, trunk, rear arches).
KILMAT 80 Mil (2 mm)
Would a single box be enough if it's just for the boot?
 
It seems you have 34 sheets in the pack. I think is more than enough.
sorry I read again your question: I think you have 2, 3 times the amount needed. I just needed 9 sheets for 80 % of the trunk bottom. With rear arches I think a total of 15 sheets will be enough.
If you intend to do the boot only (even incl. the arches) you can check on Amazon to see if there is a smaller pack, like 20 sheets or so.
 
I got my CX-60 in Sept 2023 and I have no problems at all with sound. The car is premium quiet. What could be the difference..?
 
Discussion starter · #57 ·
I got my CX-60 in Sept 2023 and I have no problems at all with sound. The car is premium quiet. What could be the difference..?
Its likely you are a little bit older than many of us and thus hearing is going. I mean that respectfully, as it happens to us all.

The car is a tin box of noise!
 
Its likely you are a little bit older than many of us and thus hearing is going. I mean that respectfully, as it happens to us all.

The car is a tin box of noise!
Could be.. but I can compare it with other cars and I think my CX-60 is ok. It could be that my dealer did some extra work on this because after the test ride I mentioned the cheap sound of the back doors. Told the sales man that I only would order the car if the cheap sound was fixed. He promised me to do so. Maybe he had some extra sound proofing done. What can I do to check this? (I can post some pictures)
 
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Could be.. but I can compare it with other cars and I think my CX-60 is ok. It could be that my dealer did some extra work on this because after the test ride I mentioned the cheap sound of the back doors. Told the sales man that I only would order the car if the cheap sound was fixed. He promised me to do so. Maybe he had some extra sound proofing done. What can I do to check this? (I can post some pictures)
You'd have to take a door card off tbh.

He should have done all four doors as if you do just the rears, it unbalances the noise, the TSB was for all the doors for this reason. It does make a huge different to insulation for the car.
 
I got my CX-60 in Sept 2023 and I have no problems at all with sound. The car is premium quiet. What could be the difference..?
Everyone can do their own assessment and if they are happy with their car noise level - this is what is important and then that’s OK for them.

I am not with mine! It is one of the less insulated (acoustically) car I have ever driven.

P.S. I am living in Germany, and I am doing my critical assessment on a wider speed range, as we are allowed (still) to drive faster here.
I normally drive around 120-140 on Autobahn or even slower with all the never-finished work sectors on the Autobahn. But on some “just rebuilt 3 lines” sections- I am driving closer to , more like 170-180. Unfortunately (for me) the car is very loud inside, almost not at all insulated.
 
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