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#1 ·
As many agree, the CX60 lacks insulation and soundproofing quite severely. In my opinion, the road noise is bad, tyre roar is bad and the overall pleasant ambience in the cabin is ruined by this, for what is hailed as a 'premium' car, for me it wasn't acceptable, but it's easily and cheaply fixed.

There are many ways to add soundproofing, and a variation of materials. Some use deadening, then add absorbing materials, some use heavy mass such as thick rubber sheets. I wanted something that can add a level of refinement, without being obvious or requiring any modifications to carpets, panels, clips etc.

Please add your own soundproofing methods on your CX60 to this thread - please include some photos!

I used in my 'Stage 1'

2.5mm Killmat in the doors (90% coverage) and bonnet

2mm + 2.5mm Killmat in the boot and rear wheel wells/arches

Overall I used an entire box, which cost around £65. and added around 7kg of mass/weight.

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The difference it has made is remarkable, the car is near silent now, the only noise coming from the front wheels and engine. So my next project will be the front wheel wells and transmission tunnel / bulkhead - PHEV owners may not need to do the bulkhead as the 4 pot isn't as noisy as the 6 cylinder.

I didn't photograph it very well so the photos do show it before it was finished - they are merely there to give you an 'idea'

No photos of the doors but the poor Mazda TSB 'insulation' was stripped off and the Killmat applied covering around 90% - the doors are Bentley weight now! The Mazda TSB was merely to reduce the flex and tinny sound in the doors, which it did do to an extent, but its effectiveness in sound insulation came down to how the dealer technician applied it, how much material was used and what grade. The job varies heavily. Mazda have now began putting two tiny 1mm sheets in the doors to reduce the flex from the factory, but it does little for actual sound proofing.

In the doors you see a marked improvement of road noise, I cannot hear passing cars or traffic now when inside.

It looks something like this

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The boot floor was the next area. It's a little ugly for a few reasons ;

(this is on a Diesel, the PHEV boot floor seems to be somewhat different, so your application may vary)

1.You have to work around the areas where the storage bin sits - if i covered those areas it would raise the floor a few mm depending on the thickness of material you use which could look odd and cause the floor to rock and vibrate, and I'm too OCD for that. The way i did it I get 90% of effect without anything looking odd or causing any nuances.

2, Mazda has used some of that cheap and fairly useless spray sound deadener on this car (my PHEV had nothing like this just bare metal) so i had to go over that where i could as I wasn't into stripping it all off. You can literally ‘tap’ around the boot and hear a horrible metal tin can sound. With the Killmat added it's a solid ‘thud’ sound. Much better.

I forgot to take a photo of it finished as there was quite a bit more added after these photos where taken.

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The biggest thing i noticed was inside the rear wheel arches - there is ZERO sound insulation in the arch/rear quarter. A tiny bit of thin foam to stop the carpeted cover rubbing on the paint and that's it. The arches sound like a tin can when tapped. With a rear wheel bias car like the CX60 it was no wonder the tyre roar was so bad. I tried to get as much Killmat in there as possible but was hard without stripping it all down to pieces. If i did it again I could probably manage more or if i engaged the help of someone with tiny hands!

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Next up was the bonnet.

There are support welds on the second skin, so you cannot put whole sheets in there, its basically cut out pieces and put them in as best you can.

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This massively reduced the sound of the engine outside, and inside the cabin, getting rid of any higher pitched noises making it sound a lot deeper and refined. However one thing to note, it does reduce the glorious sound of the inline6 so be warned!

One thing to note is that by putting this insulation in, you do 'unbalance' the 'noise' in the car, so now, the majority of noise comes from the front wheel wells, so you must do this eventually to balance the 'noise'.

The Stereo sounds so much better now as well and subwoofer thumps nicely and you don't have to turn it up on motorway to drown out the tyre roar.

Overall there is such a larger sense if 'peace' in the cabin, its less fatiguing on long trips and much closer to the likes of a Q5 and X5 in terms of refinement.

The best bit is that its all invisible too when the panels are put back into place. Best £65 I’ve spent on improving this car I think!

Next jobs (will update thread as I go along)


1. Front Wheel Arches - I've been contemplating which way to do this, to either add material to the arch liner like this (concerned if the clips will still be long enough to refit)

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or to the wheel well like below. This is the 'better' job but I was concerned about water getting in to the butyl and causing it to fall off or moisture being stuck potentially causing issues further down the line. I think I will do it the latter, but use butyl roof flashing tape to 'seal' the edges.

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2. Bulkhead and Transmission tunnel -

This is probably not needed on the PHEV unless the EV whine annoys you, but the 6cyclinder does have a 'throbbing' engine note that can get a bit tiresome in traffic and long trips, and its transmission banging on startup is just embarrassing.

It will mean the seats and centre console out, and maybe even parts of the dash. Its a big job, and I am not sure how successful it will be, so this will be the 'final' step if I decide to go that far.

Another option is to add sound 'absorbing material' to all the crevices behind the dash - this is easy to do, you just have to be careful not to block any vents and make sure the material you have used is fireproof.

As I have the sun roof, there isnt a lot of roof to soundproof, so I will add in a few sheets of butyle at the back and then a couple of panes of this stuff. Those without a sunroof would be advised to do the whole roof, its a tin can.

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3. Tailgate - will drop the read panel and add some Kilmat where I can


Other aids in the question for 'silence'

All Season tyres with noise cancellation, such as Pirelli Scorpion All Season PCNS, which were designed for Jaguar Land Rover. Other brands have their own noise cancellation systems but the tyre size is quite rare

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Remember - Prep is key to success!

Ensure the surfaces are cleaned with iso or prepaint immensely, so the material can stick. Take time rollering the material until it is completely flat. The Killmat stuff is really good as it has raised surfaces on the silver part so you can see where you have rollered. Its hard work and if you do it on a hot day you'll be sweating like a convict on the railroad, but you don't want any moisture or air to be behind the material.
 
#2 ·
I found this video interesting, Mercedes employ a range of different density materials to absorb and block sound in their cars. It would be so much trial an error trying to achieve this without a lab , so the Killmat, albeit a LOT heavier, does its job just as well but at the penalty of additional weight.

From what I found, Mazda, employed close to zero sound proofing on the CX60

 
#5 ·
@SoulCX60 have a look at this post for door trim removal Door Trim Removal WARNING for CX-60
I will do this. Thank you for this advice.

Do you have instruction to take door card off?
Im afraid not.

The way the door card has to be pulled off makes it volatile to the above breakage, but its nothing too complicated once you ‘know’. Its the arduous task of removing the internal mechanisms that is the time consuming bit.

Those with the early VINs that have the door insulation tsb that havent had it fitted yet could ask their dealer to use the Killmat if you supply it and ask them to do more coverage on the doors. May cost a little bit on top of what Mazda pays them for the TSB but well worth it.
 
#11 · (Edited)
My CX-60 (sep 2023) does have enough sound proofing. After I did a test drive in a demo car, I told the salesmanager that I only would buy the car with better sound proofing. He promissed me to fix that. Later on, when my car was delivered, it turned out that no additional sound proofing was needed. Seems to me that Mazda did an improvement update.
 
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#12 ·
My CX-60 (sep 2023) does have enough sound proofing. After I did a test drive in a demo car, I told the salesmanager that I only would by the car with better sound proofing. He promissed me to fix that. Later on, when my car was delivered, it turned out that no additional sound proofing was needed. Seems to me that Mazda did an improvement update.
Please post some photos.
 
#13 ·
Sorry, I don't have any photos, it is all hidden. (and I will not take my car apart ;-)
 
#15 ·
Mazda just did my doors, here is the outcome… I’m simply whopping astonished by this experience
 

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#16 ·
@Dex you are going to have to be more clear than that. This thread is about soundproofing the car but your pictures are random inside the car. How does that relate to soundproofing? Are you trying to suggest the damage in each of the pictures was done by your dealer when they were doing the door soundproofing?
 
#19 ·
Yeah sorry was not clear enough, Mazda Dealer did the soundproofing and damaged basically the entire car. I was so pissed, didn’t even wanted to check if there is any noticeable difference now :(

@cxega it was Mazda Kummich in Nuernberg
 
#20 ·
Truly awful.

Could you create a new thread for this rather than fill up this one, as I think it needs its own section so that others can see how Mazda handle your complaint moving forward. Gutted for you buddy, but lets see how Mazda react first, if they fix it all free of charge and compensate, then all is good, if they fight you, then the world needs to know!
 
#23 ·
I will be doing the boot and doors at some point when we have more dry weather but when I took the car out last night it was strange. Had my boy with me and we were talking and it was so much better - I could hear him so much clearer and we were on a 70mph road. The acoustics have completely changed. It felt like when you pop noise cancelling headphones on (at least it felt like when I have my AirPod Pros on and activate noise cancelling, I haven’t tried other noise cancelling headphones before though) - there was that dull silent sound until we started talking, and even then there was that dull background lack of noise that you get with noise cancelling headphones. He don’t know what I did to the car, and being biased as I wanted it to work I asked him if he noticed anything different with the sound (he is 14 so understood what I was talking about). He agreed it was much easier to hear me and the radio so I then told him what I had done.
Something I was a bit surprised at was I could still hear the engine - but then again the sound proofing wasn’t between the cabin and the engine, just the top of the engine bay. No noise in EV mode so I popped it into Sport and opened up the engine. When normal driving in Sport the engine noise was a quieter background and I couldn’t hear the engine running but when flooring the throttle the throaty engine was so clear - it was actually a pleasure to hear
 
#32 ·
As many agree, the CX60 lacks insulation and soundproofing quite severely. In my opinion, the road noise is bad, tyre roar is bad and the overall pleasant ambience in the cabin is ruined by this, for what is hailed as a 'premium' car, for me it wasn't acceptable, but it's easily and cheaply fixed.

There are many ways to add soundproofing, and a variation of materials. Some use deadening, then add absorbing materials, some use heavy mass such as thick rubber sheets. I wanted something that can add a level of refinement, without being obvious or requiring any modifications to carpets, panels, clips etc.

Please add your own soundproofing methods on your CX60 to this thread - please include some photos!

I used in my 'Stage 1'

2.5mm Killmat in the doors (90% coverage) and bonnet

2mm + 2.5mm Killmat in the boot and rear wheel wells/arches

Overall I used an entire box, which cost around £65. and added around 7kg of mass/weight.

View attachment 592

The difference it has made is remarkable, the car is near silent now, the only noise coming from the front wheels and engine. So my next project will be the front wheel wells and transmission tunnel / bulkhead - PHEV owners may not need to do the bulkhead as the 4 pot isn't as noisy as the 6 cylinder.

I didn't photograph it very well so the photos do show it before it was finished - they are merely there to give you an 'idea'

No photos of the doors but the poor Mazda TSB 'insulation' was stripped off and the Killmat applied covering around 90% - the doors are Bentley weight now! The Mazda TSB was merely to reduce the flex and tinny sound in the doors, which it did do to an extent, but its effectiveness in sound insulation came down to how the dealer technician applied it, how much material was used and what grade. The job varies heavily. Mazda have now began putting two tiny 1mm sheets in the doors to reduce the flex from the factory, but it does little for actual sound proofing.

In the doors you see a marked improvement of road noise, I cannot hear passing cars or traffic now when inside.

It looks something like this

View attachment 608

The boot floor was the next area. It's a little ugly for a few reasons ;

(this is on a Diesel, the PHEV boot floor seems to be somewhat different, so your application may vary)

1.You have to work around the areas where the storage bin sits - if i covered those areas it would raise the floor a few mm depending on the thickness of material you use which could look odd and cause the floor to rock and vibrate, and I'm too OCD for that. The way i did it I get 90% of effect without anything looking odd or causing any nuances.

2, Mazda has used some of that cheap and fairly useless spray sound deadener on this car (my PHEV had nothing like this just bare metal) so i had to go over that where i could as I wasn't into stripping it all off. You can literally ‘tap’ around the boot and hear a horrible metal tin can sound. With the Killmat added it's a solid ‘thud’ sound. Much better.

I forgot to take a photo of it finished as there was quite a bit more added after these photos where taken.

View attachment 602

The biggest thing i noticed was inside the rear wheel arches - there is ZERO sound insulation in the arch/rear quarter. A tiny bit of thin foam to stop the carpeted cover rubbing on the paint and that's it. The arches sound like a tin can when tapped. With a rear wheel bias car like the CX60 it was no wonder the tyre roar was so bad. I tried to get as much Killmat in there as possible but was hard without stripping it all down to pieces. If i did it again I could probably manage more or if i engaged the help of someone with tiny hands!

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Next up was the bonnet.

There are support welds on the second skin, so you cannot put whole sheets in there, its basically cut out pieces and put them in as best you can.

View attachment 604

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This massively reduced the sound of the engine outside, and inside the cabin, getting rid of any higher pitched noises making it sound a lot deeper and refined. However one thing to note, it does reduce the glorious sound of the inline6 so be warned!

One thing to note is that by putting this insulation in, you do 'unbalance' the 'noise' in the car, so now, the majority of noise comes from the front wheel wells, so you must do this eventually to balance the 'noise'.

The Stereo sounds so much better now as well and subwoofer thumps nicely and you don't have to turn it up on motorway to drown out the tyre roar.

Overall there is such a larger sense if 'peace' in the cabin, its less fatiguing on long trips and much closer to the likes of a Q5 and X5 in terms of refinement.

The best bit is that its all invisible too when the panels are put back into place. Best £65 I’ve spent on improving this car I think!

Next jobs (will update thread as I go along)


1. Front Wheel Arches - I've been contemplating which way to do this, to either add material to the arch liner like this (concerned if the clips will still be long enough to refit)

View attachment 606



or to the wheel well like below. This is the 'better' job but I was concerned about water getting in to the butyl and causing it to fall off or moisture being stuck potentially causing issues further down the line. I think I will do it the latter, but use butyl roof flashing tape to 'seal' the edges.

View attachment 607


2. Bulkhead and Transmission tunnel -

This is probably not needed on the PHEV unless the EV whine annoys you, but the 6cyclinder does have a 'throbbing' engine note that can get a bit tiresome in traffic and long trips, and its transmission banging on startup is just embarrassing.

It will mean the seats and centre console out, and maybe even parts of the dash. Its a big job, and I am not sure how successful it will be, so this will be the 'final' step if I decide to go that far.

Another option is to add sound 'absorbing material' to all the crevices behind the dash - this is easy to do, you just have to be careful not to block any vents and make sure the material you have used is fireproof.

As I have the sun roof, there isnt a lot of roof to soundproof, so I will add in a few sheets of butyle at the back and then a couple of panes of this stuff. Those without a sunroof would be advised to do the whole roof, its a tin can.

View attachment 610

3. Tailgate - will drop the read panel and add some Kilmat where I can


Other aids in the question for 'silence'

All Season tyres with noise cancellation, such as Pirelli Scorpion All Season PCNS, which were designed for Jaguar Land Rover. Other brands have their own noise cancellation systems but the tyre size is quite rare

View attachment 609


Remember - Prep is key to success!

Ensure the surfaces are cleaned with iso or prepaint immensely, so the material can stick. Take time rollering the material until it is completely flat. The Killmat stuff is really good as it has raised surfaces on the silver part so you can see where you have rollered. Its hard work and if you do it on a hot day you'll be sweating like a convict on the railroad, but you don't want any moisture or air to be behind the material.
Thank for the information, and congratulations on your work.
I started applying starting from the trunk. did you completely cover the bottom? also how did you remove the side walls to access the body above the wheel? I don't see any screws or disconnect devices and I don't want to break any hooks. Thanks for the reply
 
#35 ·
The bottom of the trunk is covered with 2mm butyl mat, 1cm felt is laid on it, the inner side panels of the trunk are covered with 1cm felt from the inside. The result is not satisfactory at 90km/h, the volume measured, measured with a phone app 73-75dB. How is it with you, because I did not measure before soundproofing.
 
#36 ·
Never measured it, but a switch to Pirelli Scorpion All Seasons with PCNS (noise cancellation) brought the cabin noise down considerably. Soundproofing the transmission tunnel and parts of the bulk head was also a massive improvement.

I'm ok with the incar noise now, its not too far away from Mercedes/BMW..but engine had to come out to do the bulkhead and transmission tunnel, so bear it in mind if you ever need a big job doing on your car, get the soundpads in there when the engine is out.
 
#38 ·
At the beginning of Sept had some extra time and decided that I will invest a day (actually needed only half day) to do some Soundproofing for Mazda.

My wife’s CX-60 PHEV (being an early model - 2022) had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in terms of soundproofing materials in the trunk 😱😱😱

The doors (all four) have been done by the Dealer last year (Mazda TSB) 👍. And discussing with the dealer (for extra ones) and also painting the caliper (i chosen blue) ended up to be too expensive and the problem was that he could not guaranty a “perfect” job that I asked for, OR would have cost a fortune, as a lot of time would have been needed. So decided to do it myself (when will have some extra time).

I need also to thank @Southeastern and all the other Forum participants that have posted pictures and guidance on this. You really made this an easy task for me, and other that would like to do this.

Attaching bellow some pictures with the trunk bottom area and the hood (before and after)
I don‘t have a first picture with the trunk fully empty (as I forgot about it when Instarted the work) and realized about it only half way on soundproofing the trunk. But!!! It is interesting to see in the first picture - how the upper part of the trunk is completely sheer metal - Absolutely NO soundproofing!

P.S. the noise level improved decently! I think in order to get a better soundproofing I also need to do the rear wheel arches- at least!
But this is for another time!

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#39 ·
At the beginning of Sept had some extra time and decided that I will invest a day (actually needed only half day) to do some Soundproofing for Mazda.

My wife’s CX-60 PHEV (being an early model - 2022) had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in terms of soundproofing materials in the trunk 😱😱😱

The doors (all four) have been done by the Dealer last year (Mazda TSB) 👍. And discussing with the dealer (for extra ones) and also painting the caliper (i chosen blue) ended up to be too expensive and the problem was that he could not guaranty a “perfect” job that I asked for, OR would have cost a fortune, as a lot of time would have been needed. So decided to do it myself (when will have some extra time).

I need also to thank @Southeastern and all the other Forum participants that have posted pictures and guidance on this. You really made this an easy task for me, and other that would like to do this.

Attaching bellow some pictures with the trunk bottom area and the hood (before and after)
I don‘t have a first picture with the trunk fully empty (as I forgot about it when Instarted the work) and realized about it only half way on soundproofing the trunk. But!!! It is interesting to see in the first picture - how the upper part of the trunk is completely sheer metal - Absolutely NO soundproofing!

P.S. the noise level improved decently! I think in order to get a better soundproofing I also need to do the rear wheel arches- at least!
But this is for another time!

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The one benefit of having my entire engine and gearbox taken out (to replace the transmission that has failed in 150 miles) is being able to soundproof the transmission tunnel and bulkhead - may not be needed on the PHEV as much but the Diesel is one noisy engine ans against Mazda tin can sheet metal its a brain blaster , and now it drives and sounds much more like a premium car should, no more migraines since its been done!

I use the Pirelli noise cancelling tyres which has reduced road roar a LOT, so haven't felt the need to do the wheel arches..yet anyway. But all my doors were done with proper Kilmat so that really helps. Make sure you do the tailgate!

Irony factor - Dealer told Mazda one of the reasons they are refusing my vehicle rejection/refund is because the car is 'modified' which can only relate to the soundproofing which they 1, did themselves and 2, never told me this - they will try anything!
 
#40 · (Edited)
I will start a new Thread on this: Calipers - painting / covers, when I will have more pictures with mine.
I’ve painted them in blue ( but forget to take proper pictures), only have a few with the wheels on.

Will do some proper ones in 1 month or so, when I will have the car in Service and all the wheels will be off.

In the meantime, here it is how looks like:

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#41 ·
I will star a new Thread on this: Calipers - painting / covers, when I will have more pictures with mine.
I’ve painted them in blue ( but forget to take proper pictures), only have a few with the wheels on.

Will do some proper ones in 1 month or so, when I will have the car in Service and all the wheels will be off.

In the meantime, here it is how looks like:

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I painted my callipers last year in Black and then ceramic coated them, I almost did them Red and felt it may be a bit much...
 
#46 ·
Sounds good! How much do I need for the Trunk please?
Would like to order it from Amazon, or any other suggestion on the material?
Thanks.
I bought from Amazon the Alubutyl in the 2.5mm format from a producer called Kilmat.
I needed 9 sheets for the bottom trunk and 3 for the hood.
But I still need to do the wheel arches + wider trunk, so I reckon another 4 sheets or so for each side, so a max of 10 to have healthy safety-net.
So in total, I reckon with 20-25 sheets I have done / will do (hood, trunk, rear arches).
 
#48 · (Edited)
To be honest not really, or at least not what I was expected.

The rear worth doing it ( but including the arches too) as you will feel a difference (I am even feeling it now without the arches being done yet). And it’s improving the car stereo quality too, especially with the Bose subwoofer in the tin trunk.

However - at least for me - the car is still too loud in the front part / middle section yet, and not a premium feeling when driving it (in terms of noise generated and entering the cabin).
So I needed to do something here too.

Unfortunately there are other parts / sections that will need a better acoustical insulation before the engine bay area (car floor for sure, maybe front arches too, potentially double glasez windows). But these are not easily accessible or easy to change.

So instead I’ve done the hood too as I’ve bought initially 30 sheets of Kilmat, and was a very easy one to do with only 3 sheets to spare.

P.S. I also have a PHEV, and the engine is not so loud, plus 50% is driven in EV mode.
But maybe for a Diesel might be a better improvement (in terms of cabin quietness).

I fully recommend the rear and arches, and the hood (at least for PHEV) a nice to have.
 
#49 ·
To be honest not really, or at least not what I was expected.

The rear worth doing it ( but including the arches too) as you will feel a difference (I am even feeling it now without the arches being done yet). And it’s improving the car stereo quality too, especially with the Bose subwoofer in the tin trunk.

However - at least for me - the car is still too loud in the front part / middle section yet, and not a premium feeling when driving it (in terms of noise generated and entering the cabin).
So I needed to do something here too.

Unfortunately there are other parts / sections that will need a better acoustical insulation before the engine bay area (car floor for sure, maybe front arches too, potentially double glasez windows). But these are not easily accessible or easy to change.

So instead I’ve done the hood too as I’ve bought initially 30 sheets of Kilmat, and was a very easy one to do with only 3 sheets to spear.

P.S. I also have a PHEV, and the engine is not so loud, plus 50% is driven in EV mode.
But maybe for a Diesel might be a better improvement (in terms of cabin quietness).

I fully recommend the rear and arches, and the hood (at least for PHEV) a nice to have.
The biggest difference for me was doing the doors properly and the transmission tunnel and bulkhead. On the Diesel this is an engine and box out job, but on the Phev you might be able to do some of the bulkhead from the engine bay and then take the interior and centre console out and do the transmission tunnel inside, and changing to the Pirelli PCNS tyres, so I think the wheel arches will have a big effect considering what those tyres did alone.

The tailgate is also very important to do as it acts like an echo chamber!