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I thought I'd do an overview of how to get the best out of the above setup.

You will need to be familiar with setting up static IPs on your router, using command line, not afraid of using a text editor to modify configuration and code and be prepared for some frustration getting it working. If this isn't you then read no further.

I have an automated home with a variety of devices - switches, light bulbs, smart radiator valves, thermostats and a groovy little thing that can push a switch down. Mainly Tuya and Sonoff/eWeLink devices. I am on the Octopus Agile tariff. This has different electricity prices for each half hour during the day and is published a day in advance at around 4pm. You need a newer smart meter to be able to use the Agile tariff. Here's a good overview : Energy Stats - If you do decide to switch to Octopus from your current supplier, please use this link for £50 off your bill and £50 off my bill. You switch to Octopus standard pricing first (for a few days) and then once completed request a move to Agile.

I used to use a complicated set of different tools to manage the house - smartthings, SharpTools, IFTTT, Alexa routines and so on. To do what I really wanted I would have involved a monthly subscription fee to one or more of companies involved. Instead I decide to go down the route of Home Assistant

Home Assistant runs typically on a server that you build and place into your household network. Probably the easiest way to get started is to use a Raspberry Pi dedicated install. Needless to say, I didn't use that route, I use a Docker installation running on a TerraMaster NAS but that route required a good deal more delving into linux and files.

Home Assistant handles all of the equipment that I use:
Mazda Integration
Pod Point Integration
Octopus Energy
eWeLink
Tuya

Home Assistant comes with a powerful set of automations (routines) that can be triggered by events, switch devices on or off etc.

Specifically:

I use the Octopus integration to calculate (it's built in to the integration to do this) the cheapest 5 30 minute slots overnight (10pm-6am) to charge the car - This can be used to trigger the Pod Point to enable/disable charging. I also use an afternoon and morning slots calculation to do a similar thing if I'm going to use the car more than once during the day. Last night it cost me about £1.40 to charge the car form 30% to 100% using the cheaper slots.

You can also check that the Mazda is at "home" to make sure you don't start a charging session when you aren't at home - You can also check that the Mazda is plugged in, but you may need to get Home Assistant to do a Refresh of the car, wait a couple of minutes and then do a check to see if the car is plugged in. The Mazda integration works exactly like the Mazda App which I'm sure you will already know needs to be refreshed to get the latest picture.

I also have routines that switch off the Pod-Point charging if the car is unplugged from the cable.

There's loads extra that can be done beyond the work with car - I use Life360 app and Home Assistant integration to turn off the lights/TV etc. if no one is home, turn off the heating if no one has been in the house for 6 hours (vacation mode), switch on welcome lights in an evening. Set radiator valve thermostats according to different times of the day. Just limited by your imagination. Check the weather and only turn on the heating when it's cold (I use a 4ch Sonoff switch wired in parallel with my central heating controllers, but if you got something like hive it will integrate with Home Assistant.)

If you want to integrate a 'thing' just google 'homeassistant the_thing_you_want_to_integrate' I've found loads of stuff I wasn't expecting, not least of which is the Mazda integration.

Hope this is of use to someone.
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I have the walk away set to lock as well. I am surprised the back doors can’t unlock the car as well as the front doors (on my old GLE I could touch any of the 4 doors with the key in my pocket and it unlocked all doors).

I cycled through all the charge cable options on the car last year. Went to the dealer with the outcome which they then passed me to Pod Point. Pod Point sent the custom firmware (which didn’t work) then replaced the entire unit, which didn’t work and sent me back to Mazda. I’m still waiting for an outcome with Mazda but they said said other customers also do have the same issue I have. And it doesn’t seem like there is a TSB to resolve this yet
One clumsy workround might be to set the CAR charge time the same as your Podpoint schedule. OR tell the car to charge when connected. It wont override Pod point.
My recently purchased car locks the charger cable into its socket when <connected> or <charging>, that being dependent on the Instrument Panel setting and the car locked. Mere <Connected> is obviously the more secure if you schedule a delayed charge session. I would talk to your dealer as it could be a bug given mine works fine.

I am not convinced the Octopus Tariff is right for everybody if it is around £0.10 to £0.12 overnight and £0.40 by day. I am currently on an Eon variable tariff having dropped out of a beneficial fixed tariff, and my tariff today is currently Government capped at £0.34 per kWh. I might potentially save £0.24 x (up to) 17.8 kWh overnight with Octopus, but it is a trivial saving compared to what a Tesla owner might enjoy given its vastly larger battery. However, I would pay £0.06 per kWh extra compared to Eon on my other daytime use. With a large detached house, my daytime consumption vastly exceeds that required to charge my car. The Octopus standing charge is also higher. I calculate I would be worse off with Octopus. My Tesla owning neighbour has switched to the Octopus tariff and it works for him, but PHEV owners with smaller batteries do need to carefully do the sums. I should perhaps add that as a retired person, I don't have the same potential to make the daytime savings as those that work away and leave an empty house. Lots of variables to be checked.
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One clumsy workround might be to set the CAR charge time the same as your Podpoint schedule. OR tell the car to charge when connected. It wont override Pod point.
When I have the car set to no schedule it still doesn’t lock. I have found a work around using Home Assistant. With the integrations to Mazda and Pod Point, if I control charging from Home Assistant when I plug in the car I can set Pod Point to start charging for 10 minutes (and then stop charging) and as long as I have a charge schedule set on the car, charging doesn’t actually start until the 2 charge schedules overlap (Home Assistant and car)
My recently purchased car locks the charger cable into its socket when <connected> or <charging>, that being dependent on the Instrument Panel setting and the car locked. Mere <Connected> is obviously the more secure if you schedule a delayed charge session. I would talk to your dealer as it could be a bug given mine works fine.

I am not convinced the Octopus Tariff is right for everybody if it is around £0.10 to £0.12 overnight and £0.40 by day. I am currently on an Eon variable tariff having dropped out of a beneficial fixed tariff, and my tariff today is currently Government capped at £0.34 per kWh. I might potentially save £0.24 x (up to) 17.8 kWh overnight with Octopus, but it is a trivial saving compared to what a Tesla owner might enjoy given its vastly larger battery. However, I would pay £0.06 per kWh extra compared to Eon on my other daytime use. With a large detached house, my daytime consumption vastly exceeds that required to charge my car. The Octopus standing charge is also higher. I calculate I would be worse off with Octopus. My Tesla owning neighbour has switched to the Octopus tariff and it works for him, but PHEV owners with smaller batteries do need to carefully do the sums. I should perhaps add that as a retired person, I don't have the same potential to make the daytime savings as those that work away and leave an empty house. Lots of variables to be checked.
@Noah4x4 As you say, Go/Intelligent isn’t for everyone. As I recall, it works out if you can load shift 50%/60% of your consumption (ie washing machine, dishwasher, tumble dryer etc) to the off peak hours then it is a win. If you charge the car every day from fully used to full it works out to a daily saving of £3.92 compared to the standard variable tariff. For me, Go works out very good. I work from home and fully use the car battery every day. My 3 bed detached house with 2 adults and 2 teens consumes around 10kWh per day (outside of the car charge, daily dish washer and every other day washing machine) which includes daily use of the oven.
I also did go through the house last year cutting down on energy usage. For example PlayStations now are set to allow downloads but not keep games loaded in background/charging controllers. I have multiple devices around the house that trickle charge batteries constantly (ie Tv remote, house phones, vacuum cleaners, Sonos speakers etc). All of these devices are now on smart plugs and automated to come on when needed or to charge during off peak. Before doing all of this the house was consuming in excess of 21kWh per day (this was before the CX-60)
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Did some testing today on your behalf. Mid afternoon. No car schedule set. Charger set for 01.30 tonight. Every time I locked the car in any way, the cable locked. Even if I put the cable in after the car locks it still locks in. Doesn't matter which end goes in first!
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Did some testing today on your behalf. Mid afternoon. No car schedule set. Charger set for 01.30 tonight. Every time I locked the car in any way, the cable locked. Even if I put the cable in after the car locks it still locks in. Doesn't matter which end goes in first!
Thank you so much for doing that. It is really appreciated. I’m at a total lose now. I have a work around but would rather it works off the bat. I’m running the same firmware as you on Pod Point and on the car (the latest OTA update). I have the same settings as you on the car regarding when to lock in the charger and no car schedule. No matter what I do, it just doesn’t work for me. Maybe there’s a different software update on your car that my one doesn’t relate to OTA
Thank you so much for doing that. It is really appreciated. I’m at a total lose now. I have a work around but would rather it works off the bat. I’m running the same firmware as you on Pod Point and on the car (the latest OTA update). I have the same settings as you on the car regarding when to lock in the charger and no car schedule. No matter what I do, it just doesn’t work for me. Maybe there’s a different software update on your car that my one doesn’t relate to OTA
Maybe not software but a mechanical issue with the lock mechanism! Can you hear it trying to engage or is it silent?
Maybe not software but a mechanical issue with the lock mechanism! Can you hear it trying to engage or is it silent?
As I recall, when plugging in to a charger that is set to charge immediately (public chargers for example) the lock mechanism engages immediately and you can hear it lock in place. However, on scheduled charge, no lock mechanism tries to engage. Sadly I don’t know anyone else with a home charger, let alone scheduling charging, to try ruling my Pod out completely
@UKPhil can I ask one more question? When your car is locked and you don’t have a charge cable connected, can you open the charging flap/door? Or is that locked panel locked?
When my car is locked, both my charge and fuel flaps are locked. When on ‘charge’ or simply ‘plugged in’, the cable is locked to the car if the car is locked. However, there is a dashboard setting that is by default enabled where that can be set during charging or when plugged in. Sounds like you might have a faulty flap mechanism?
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When my car is locked, both my charge and fuel flaps are locked. When on ‘charge’ or simply ‘plugged in’, the cable is locked to the car if the car is locked. However, there is a dashboard setting that is by default enabled where that can be set during charging or when plugged in. Sounds like you might have a faulty flap mechanism?
Thank you for confirming @Noah4x4. It does sound faulty at that rate……and it might be the root cause of the issue! Thanks for taking time to look for me
@UKPhil can I ask one more question? When your car is locked and you don’t have a charge cable connected, can you open the charging flap/door? Or is that locked panel locked?
Sorry late response: Flap locked when Car locked.
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This fuel flap/cable setting might need checking. See image. Is yours (Townsmcp) perhaps set to <Off> or only <Locked when Charging>?

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Another thing has struck me having read some comments in this thread, are owners of early models seeking Software Updates to obtain remedies for their various problems via dealers? I have noticed that my car (just like Microsoft Windows) has a setting <seek updates/ automatically update> feature. I wonder if this is perhaps absent in early models, or some owners have not discovered this? See image.

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@Noah4x4 my car setting is set to the first option (Locked when connected). I have tried cycling through each of them in case it proves the car to use the right setting but still no joy. Thank you for the suggestion though.
For OTA updates, I have the option selected to automatically check. I also periodically go and check for updates myself in case the auto update hasn’t found a waiting update.
I do have the car in next week so there might be other updates to be applied that can only be done by dealers on MDARS. I emailed the dealer today to say when it is in check for MDARS updates and the charge port flap never being locked.
Another thing has struck me having read some comments in this thread, are owners of early models seeking Software Updates to obtain remedies for their various problems via dealers? I have noticed that my car (just like Microsoft Windows) has a setting <seek updates/ automatically update> feature. I wonder if this is perhaps absent in early models, or some owners have not discovered this? See image.

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This update function is for infotainment only, not for the other control modules.
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This update function is for infotainment only, not for the other control modules.
True, and I have now had a host of software updates done by my dealer. Loads of things have improved, notably EV and total mileage estimates and even wireless charging works more reliably!
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