Mazda CX 60 - 3.3 diesel

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Papunardi

Discussion Starter · 4 mo ago

Hello from Bulgaria, guys!

I'm expecting to receive mine CX-60 Homura, 3.3 diesel, 254hp in March (ordered in August 2022) and I will appreciate if some of you, who is already enjoying his CX-60 diesel can share experience, problems, consumption (I seen in Japanese forums are talking about less than 5.0 l/100km for 254hp engine, 4x4 which sounds crazy!!!), pros & cons and other thoughts.

Thanks in advance!

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Southeastern

· #121 · 18 d ago

BlazeForth said:
Build quality also includes interiors. When we first thinking of getting an SUV we first went looking for Tiguan. Then again in Tiguan subreddit people are complaining about oil leak issues ( which is a major one in Tiguan ). We don't want to end up most of the time at dealer. So we dropped it, we then went looking for a Q3, and we didn't like the interior of the Q3 first as so much plastics in there. And when we did a test drive, I felt the engine a bit stressed under heavy acceleration. Also you won't get HUD/360 cam with a Q3! And the dealer told us, since Q3 is not their hot selling model it takes a year and half to get a new model. We took a test drive of XC40, but the boot space was really small so we dropped that from our list as well. We then went to test drive X1 and we immediately loved it. But I don't know if it was our luck our build got pushed to next year, issues are popping up now as more people are getting hands on, people reporting transmission errors, quality control issues, software glitches. Their new 7 speed DCT transmission is plagued with issues.

The build quality is fine on the interior, the design of it is somewhat agricultural though and its what put me off it, its not bad quality, its design and material choices you are referring too.

All cars have issues at some point. Its just some are more prevalent than others. Ive owned multiple Audi's, VW's, Subaru's, Mitsubishis, and my CX60's have had more problems in six months than ALL of those put together. So build quality is definitely poorer on the Mazda, as seen by the fact they have to line the doors with rubber to make they stop sounding like a tin can, and the suspension starts to squeak after a few thousand miles - this is build quality not pleasantries.

Reliability and build quality is also different. I know the Mazda will fire up every day come rain and shine and its reliability is A1, but the build quality is still poor.

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BlazeForth

· #122 · 18 d ago

PCM said:
I've currently got a Tiguan diesel (190). Over the last four years, I've never had an issue. Very much looking forward to my new PHEV, despite so many negative comments 😀

What miles have you got?

Math8888

· #123 · 18 d ago

PCM said:
I've currently got a Tiguan diesel (190). Over the last four years, I've never had an issue. Very much looking forward to my new PHEV, despite so many negative comments 😀

Hi mate, it's not criticism really, I think you will love your new car - but like any 1st edition car it's got a few glitches - nothing that money can't sort out 🤣

PCM

· #124 · 18 d ago

BlazeForth said:
What miles have you got?

70 000

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PCM

· #125 · 18 d ago

Math8888 said:
Hi mate, it's not criticism really, I think you will love your new car - but like any 1st edition car it's got a few glitches - nothing that money can't sort out 🤣

As long as it is Mazda's money that pays for it 🤣

Southeastern

· #126 · 18 d ago

Math8888 said:
Hi mate, it's not criticism really, I think you will love your new car - but like any 1st edition car it's got a few glitches - nothing that money can't sort out 🤣

Lol, aint that the truth, currently awaiting

Koni Special Active Dampers
Killmat sound proofing
Pirelli All Seaon Noise Cancelling Tyres

Couple of grand, a day or so graft, and it will be a much nicer 'premium' car

BlazeForth

· #127 · 18 d ago

PCM said:
70 000

Woh! that's really nice mate. Mostly I seen people complaining with these premium brands after 50k.

BlazeForth

· #128 · 18 d ago

Southeastern said:
The build quality is fine on the interior, the design of it is somewhat agricultural though and its what put me off it, its not bad quality, its design and material choices you are referring too.

All cars have issues at some point. Its just some are more prevalent than others. Ive owned multiple Audi's, VW's, Subaru's, Mitsubishis, and my CX60's have had more problems in six months than ALL of those put together. So build quality is definitely poorer on the Mazda, as seen by the fact they have to line the doors with rubber to make they stop sounding like a tin can, and the suspension starts to squeak after a few thousand miles - this is build quality not pleasantries.

Reliability and build quality is also different. I know the Mazda will fire up every day come rain and shine and its reliability is A1, but the build quality is still poor.

I'vent done many miles with CX60 yet, so I can't say any other issues apart from Suspension. Let's after few 1000 miles🤞

nexusband

· #129 · 18 d ago

Math8888 said:
Hi, Each to his own but I would say wait until its delivered - I've owned 3 audi's over the years an A3 a A5 and a Q7 and I can say now owning an cx60 that the audi quality is way way better like off the chart better I'm not knocking the cx60 but to say its a rival to the Q5 or X3 just isn't true its about the same as a rav4 and slightly better that a kuga that's why it in the 45-50k price bracket and not the 60-75k price bracket of the audi bmw equivalent

I can only disagree with that - especially the comparison with the X3, the Quality is absolutely on par. I also think the Q3 and A5 are not that much better.

Southeastern

· #130 · 18 d ago

nexusband said:
I can only disagree with that - especially the comparison with the X3, the Quality is absolutely on par. I also think the Q3 and A5 are not that much better.

The X3 is a MASSIVE 6db quieter in the cabin...and as its measured logarithmic, this is a huge decrease in noise which shows the build quality and material improvement from the BMW over the Mazda. I've never owned a BMW so I cant say from personal experience, so I take your word for it.

Worth reading the Autocar review i posted on the problems thread, puts the X3 four cars higher than the CX60

BlazeForth

· #131 · 18 d ago

nexusband said:
I can only disagree with that - especially the comparison with the X3, the Quality is absolutely on par. I also think the Q3 and A5 are not that much better.

I love the X3. If I had a bit more budget I would've gone for an X3. It costs around £65k with the specs I was looking for. And I believe X3 is a lot better than CX60.

kowalcp2

· #132 · 18 d ago

Southeastern said:
The X3 is a MASSIVE 6db quieter in the cabin...and as its measured logarithmic, this is a huge decrease in noise which shows the build quality and material improvement from the BMW over the Mazda. I've never owned a BMW so I cant say from personal experience, so I take your word for it.

Worth reading the Autocar review i posted on the problems thread, puts the X3 four cars higher than the CX60

At what speed this 6dB difference?

Southeastern

· #133 · 18 d ago

BlazeForth said:
I love the X3. If I had a bit more budget I would've gone for an X3. It costs around £65k with the specs I was looking for. And I believe X3 is a lot better than CX60.

That back end though..looks like Robocops Grandads weekend car

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Southeastern

· #134 · 18 d ago

kowalcp2 said:
At what speed this 6dB difference?

Have a read of the Autocar review on the problems page, its likely to be motorway speeds when it matters the most

nexusband

· #135 · 18 d ago

Southeastern said:
The X3 is a MASSIVE 6db quieter in the cabin...and as its measured logarithmic, this is a huge decrease in noise which shows the build quality and material improvement from the BMW over the Mazda. I've never owned a BMW so I cant say from personal experience, so I take your word for it.

Worth reading the Autocar review i posted on the problems thread, puts the X3 four cars higher than the CX60

No idea where Autocar got it's numbers, but German reviews noted very different numbers. ADAC recorded 66 db for the X3 and 67 db for the CX-60 (without the doors being insulated) at 130 km/h. Auto Motor Sport recorded 68 db for the X3 and the CX-60 for 130 km/h as well. Auto Motor Sport actually tests the Cars on the Autobahn as well and for 180 km/h the BMW had 73 db, while the Mazda had 74 db. Yes, it's logarithmic, but the "1 dbA is double the loudness" only is relevant below 50 db. So 1 db above 70 db isn't really that much louder.

Also, the E-Class is regarded as "very good" in terms of noise and the Mazda is actually quieter, than the E-Class, especially above 160 km/h (only relevant on the Autobahn, i know, but that makes it very relevant for me)

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Southeastern

· #136 · 18 d ago

nexusband said:
No idea where Autocar got it's numbers, but German reviews noted very different numbers. ADAC recorded 66 db for the X3 and 67 db for the CX-60 (without the doors being insulated) at 130 km/h. Auto Motor Sport recorded 68 db for the X3 and the CX-60 for 130 km/h as well. Auto Motor Sport actually tests the Cars on the Autobahn as well and for 180 km/h the BMW had 73 db, while the Mazda had 74 db. Yes, it's logarithmic, but the "1 dbA is double the loudness" only is relevant below 50 db. So 1 db above 70 db isn't really that much louder.

Also, the E-Class is regarded as "very good" in terms of noise and the Mazda is actually quieter, than the E-Class, especially above 160 km/h (only relevant on the Autobahn, i know, but that makes it very relevant for me)

Interesting figures.

Well I can certainly say the CX60 is NOT 67db in England, lmao, even on my cheap db meter. Its loud in the CX60, hence why I am investing on some major sound insulation work. Its one noisy car, but I do think the Bridgestones are a contributing factor to it as they have always been a noisey hard tyre.

and59

· #137 · 18 d ago

nexusband said:
No idea where Autocar got it's numbers, but German reviews noted very different numbers. ADAC recorded 66 db for the X3 and 67 db for the CX-60 (without the doors being insulated) at 130 km/h. Auto Motor Sport recorded 68 db for the X3 and the CX-60 for 130 km/h as well. Auto Motor Sport actually tests the Cars on the Autobahn as well and for 180 km/h the BMW had 73 db, while the Mazda had 74 db. Yes, it's logarithmic, but the "1 dbA is double the loudness" only is relevant below 50 db. So 1 db above 70 db isn't really that much louder.

Also, the E-Class is regarded as "very good" in terms of noise and the Mazda is actually quieter, than the E-Class, especially above 160 km/h (only relevant on the Autobahn, i know, but that makes it very relevant for me)

I agree with the sound arguments; unfortunately ALL SUVs (below X5 / Q7 / GLE) are “too” loud…

But I strongly disagree with your comparison with BMW a few posts up. The CX-60 is several thousand Pound / Euro cheaper and this is NOT because it’s better calculated or Mazda is a worse business company, it’s just because the car isn’t worth the big difference.

Just a few examples: No active suspension, a very outdated infotainment (no online services, only one phone at a time), slow and minimal assistance systems (e.g. no stopping ad red lights, no restart after the car in front moves on, no prevention of overtaking in the wrong lane…), incredibly (!) poor smartphone app, no fully electric tow bar, etc. etc.

So, as always: You get what you pay for!

Southeastern

· #138 · 18 d ago

and59 said:
I agree with the sound arguments; unfortunately ALL SUVs (below X5 / Q7 / GLE) are “too” loud…

But I strongly disagree with your comparison with BMW a few posts up. The CX-60 is several thousand Pound / Euro cheaper and this is NOT because it’s better calculated or Mazda is a worse business company, it’s just because the car isn’t worth the big difference.

Just a few examples: No active suspension, a very outdated infotainment (no online services, only one phone at a time), slow and minimal assistance systems (e.g. no stopping ad red lights, no restart after the car in front moves on, no prevention of overtaking in the wrong lane…), incredibly (!) poor smartphone app, no fully electric tow bar, etc. etc.

So, as always: You get what you pay for!

A Q5 is like a priests chamber compared to the mosh pit noise of the CX-60.

I think were the CX60 excels is that the kit levels offered, while as you say, some of it is primitive, you do get a lot of it for the money compared to the likes of a Q5 or X3. The German 'marketing options' packages always end up at mega numbers to get anything remotely modern and useful.

For me, its just a shame as they were so close getting it spot on because the fundamental issues with the CX60 are not expensive ones to fix, really..I hazard a guess the facelift in a few years will be a much more complete car that will properly rival the premium market 'owners'.

nexusband

· #139 · 17 d ago

and59 said:
I agree with the sound arguments; unfortunately ALL SUVs (below X5 / Q7 / GLE) are “too” loud…

But I strongly disagree with your comparison with BMW a few posts up. The CX-60 is several thousand Pound / Euro cheaper and this is NOT because it’s better calculated or Mazda is a worse business company, it’s just because the car isn’t worth the big difference.

Just a few examples: No active suspension, a very outdated infotainment (no online services, only one phone at a time), slow and minimal assistance systems (e.g. no stopping ad red lights, no restart after the car in front moves on, no prevention of overtaking in the wrong lane…), incredibly (!) poor smartphone app, no fully electric tow bar, etc. etc.

So, as always: You get what you pay for!

If we are talking about features - yes, i agree, that the Mazda is pretty much the definition of "you get what you pay for". But stopping at a red light, not restarting after the car moves on and prevention of overtaking in the wrong lane are all things BMW also don't do. And it doesn't make the car worse, it just has less features.

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Southeastern

· #140 · 17 d ago

Technically the car will stop start in traffic but you have to press the restore button for it to move again after its stationary for a few seconds.

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