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When I picked the demo up I request the battery be discharged. I filled the tank to the neck and I drove it in charge mode. I set the battery to 100%. It took 137kms to fully charge it and I filled it again and it took 14.4 lt. I then drove on EV and got 61km. Then drove on petrol of another 137km and it took 13.1 lt to the neck. Just over 1 lt of fuel to charge back to 100%.

it will be interesting to see what you get. Enjoy馃憤
I charged my car with the button during the trip to Italy on the highway. from 20% to 100%. the journey was 1000 km long. consumption 7.5L/100km.
 

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Man, that鈥檚 quite the discrepancy from others on the forum. What sort of temperatures are you guys driving in? Mostly flat/uphill/downhill/mixed?

Also sounds like you guys are calculating at the pump. Does the car鈥檚 computer match at all or is it way off?
 

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Man, that鈥檚 quite the discrepancy from others on the forum. What sort of temperatures are you guys driving in? Mostly flat/uphill/downhill/mixed?

Also sounds like you guys are calculating at the pump. Does the car鈥檚 computer match at all or is it way off?
I drive a lot on cruise control. But even though I drove the car over a mountain pass this week, after about 200km I had a consumption of 7.6L/100km - all in sport mode. I just switched it to EV on the way down...... And yes, the computer calculates plus and minus exactly - that was the first thing I had to try to know if I could rely on it........ It's a hybrid, it's not a full EV, so you have to drive it like that. This car offers you the benefits of both worlds, both EV and gasoline.

Look at the site "spritmonitor.de" there the average is even lower than 7L/100km. Of course, the more you drive up to a maximum of 50 km, the lower the consumption, because you are an EV. But you usually go long-distance with a 2.5L engine as a hybrid.

and one more thing. Mazda CX-5 has the same engine and it is not a hybrid. Also see "spritmonitor.de" consumption for this model.
 

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For info: some actual real world figures based on 2676 miles from new. In UK so fairly cold in the last month.
Used 722 Kw and 39 UK Galls. Average 1.7 miles/Kw and (by calculation therefore) 1450 of Petrol for an average of 37 mpg (UK Gals). Roughly what my CX 5 auto was getting. At my energy rate and only charging at home this means I have got 55mpg equivalent of pure petrol.

I NEVER use the in car recharge button, it seems pointless(unless someone can prove that using petrol to charge a battery and using battery to drive the car is more efficient than just going direct) and the car does not recharge itself apart from normal decelleration regen.
 

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For info: some actual real world figures based on 2676 miles from new. In UK so fairly cold in the last month.
Used 722 Kw and 39 UK Galls. Average 1.7 miles/Kw and (by calculation therefore) 1450 of Petrol for an average of 37 mpg (UK Gals). Roughly what my CX 5 auto was getting. At my energy rate and only charging at home this means I have got 55mpg equivalent of pure petrol.

I NEVER use the in car recharge button, it seems pointless(unless someone can prove that using petrol to charge a battery and using battery to drive the car is more efficient than just going direct) and the car does not recharge itself apart from normal decelleration regen.
Its really interesting this auto-recharge function, as I know my car does it randomly when it gets below 25/530% battery to bring it up over the 30% mark (but sometimes it dosent!) as the 2/stroke recharge vibrations start, but you say you've never had the auto recharge function kick in, I wish I could stop mine and I wonder what settings you have somewhere that maybe is preventing it from kicking in?

I definitely agree that the button recharging function on a whole is false economy and makes little sense.
 

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Its really interesting this auto-recharge function, as I know my car does it randomly when it gets below 25/530% battery to bring it up over the 30% mark (but sometimes it dosent!) as the 2/stroke recharge vibrations start, but you say you've never had the auto recharge function kick in, I wish I could stop mine and I wonder what settings you have somewhere that maybe is preventing it from kicking in?

I definitely agree that the button recharging function on a whole is false economy and makes little sense.
On stuff like that, I know I am on factory settings (part of the tech guy trying to help me kill lane assist) Never touched charge settings (or schedule come to that). Next time it happens note time and date and ask techy to look at diagnostic on board data.
Today on a 75mile trip in the Derbyshire hills I did note the ICE kicked in very early a couple of time when I still had loads of battery. May be the cold today or I pressed the throttle a tad hard (wearing hiking boots) otherwise battery dropped per normal to 25% and then ran in hybrid for rest of the day. At home battery was about 10% (1mile). If I do a city run or low speed, it will run to almost 0% before it switches over. I have never used the pure EV setting in Mi Drive so don't know how that works.
Gearbox caught out a couple of times on the hills (incline level appears to be a factor built in. Gets mildly confused as you come across the top. Had fun playing with the paddles but think I'll leave them alone, 8 gears is too much for an oldy lke me.
 

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On stuff like that, I know I am on factory settings (part of the tech guy trying to help me kill lane assist) Never touched charge settings (or schedule come to that). Next time it happens note time and date and ask techy to look at diagnostic on board data.
Today on a 75mile trip in the Derbyshire hills I did note the ICE kicked in very early a couple of time when I still had loads of battery. May be the cold today or I pressed the throttle a tad hard (wearing hiking boots) otherwise battery dropped per normal to 25% and then ran in hybrid for rest of the day. At home battery was about 10% (1mile). If I do a city run or low speed, it will run to almost 0% before it switches over. I have never used the pure EV setting in Mi Drive so don't know how that works.
Gearbox caught out a couple of times on the hills (incline level appears to be a factor built in. Gets mildly confused as you come across the top. Had fun playing with the paddles but think I'll leave them alone, 8 gears is too much for an oldy lke me.
I definitely didn't see similar today. Finished off the battery to 30% in a couple of miles from yesterday, then it went into ICE, and then fluctuated back and forth from ICE to EV (when it went slightly over the 30%), then the recharge came on, pushed it above 30%, then after EV mode, it dropped below, now the battery is down to 25%. Its so bizarre!

Yeah I gave up using the paddles , eight gears is far too much for me these days! Plus it dosent give you a proper display of gear selection so it can get confusing as its not the easiest car to figure out what gear you're in from sense and feel.

How are you finding the new suspension? I thought it was better yesterday but I have found now after using it more its definitely seems more 'crashy' and noisy, shakey. It has a similar feeling to when you lower a car and the struts are mismatched with the spring length. I am hoping it settles down after a few more miles.
 

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How are you finding the new suspension? I thought it was better yesterday but I have found now after using it more its definitely seems more 'crashy' and noisy, shakey. It has a similar feeling to when you lower a car and the struts are mismatched with the spring length. I am hoping it settles down after a few more miles.
Loving it! Still firm and obviously with a long wheelbase and 20" wheels you are always going to get some bounce on our roads. To me it no longer throws me off line if I hit a bump in a corner, stuff in the boot doesn't get thrown up every few seconds. I have more confidence that the car will do what I expect. Almost like my CX5 in that respect. But the real clincher is my Grandson telling me to go faster rather than he feels sick (School run today). I haven't noticed any untoward noises even when I hit a speed bump that wasn't there yesterday
 

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Loving it! Still firm and obviously with a long wheelbase and 20" wheels you are always going to get some bounce on our roads. To me it no longer throws me off line if I hit a bump in a corner, stuff in the boot doesn't get thrown up every few seconds. I have more confidence that the car will do what I expect. Almost like my CX5 in that respect. But the real clincher is my Grandson telling me to go faster rather than he feels sick (School run today). I haven't noticed any untoward noises even when I hit a speed bump that wasn't there yesterday
Sounds good..I am hoping mine just needs some settling in, I havent really done many miles since yesterday so I'll review it in a week or so. The bounce is definitely less, but it just feels out of balance on the suspension for me and crashy. Glad your little one is loving it, its definitely a car to be rather badass in when arriving at school :)
 

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Picked mine up yesterday, and having now done a grand total of 25 miles of country road commuting and i have had no nasty surprises. Ride is stiffer than my previous GLC , and the steering a bit slower than i was expecting, manoeuvring in car parks might take a little getting used to. Obviously very early days but i hope i have a good un.
 

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Update: Car is still behaving nicely. and gearbox largely behaving, the EV whine seems to have reduced quite a lot as well, to the point its barely noticeable above 10 mph.. I'm not getting any rumble /vib now, that many have had. Tech called to invite me in for the radio update (see other thread) and in conversation, he said the software "learns" the more you drive it. Whether he means learns my driving style , or it adjusts stuff to compensate for wear/running in , I don't know but things have definitely improved. He also recommended to switch off EV priority on start -up as a method of smoothing standing starts. I'l try it and see. Not that its been a problem recently.
 

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Just over 1 lt of fuel to charge back to 100%.
This is a really interesting experiment but I'm not sure I fully understand your testing correctly. This implies it would cost (in Ireland) about 鈧3.50 (鈧1.75ish per litre) to complete 100km+ on EV only, if you charge the battery only using the ICE.

Based on this post by @Pavel with consumption from the network @ 27.13kw/100km and the price at an external charger at around 51c per KW/h it would cost 鈧14 to complete the same distance. I know electricity has become very expensive right now, but even stepping back to when it was 0.3c per KW/h it would still mean a cost of more than double at 鈧8

Am I missing something obvious, or making an error in my calculations?
 

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This is a really interesting experiment but I'm not sure I fully understand your testing correctly. This implies it would cost (in Ireland) about 鈧3.50 (鈧1.75ish per litre) to complete 100km+ on EV only, if you charge the battery only using the ICE.

Based on this post by @Pavel with consumption from the network @ 27.13kw/100km and the price at an external charger at around 51c per KW/h it would cost 鈧14 to complete the same distance. I know electricity has become very expensive right now, but even stepping back to when it was 0.3c per KW/h it would still mean a cost of more than double at 鈧8

Am I missing something obvious, or making an error in my calculations?
Hi pixelmad,

I collected the demo (New with 400kms) from the dealer with 1 km on batt but bat not fully discharged. I filled it to the neck and drove it until the battery was full 100% on ICE. Took 137 km on flat enough terrain and normal driving, nothing mad. An odd burst.
Filled it to the neck again and it took 14.4 ltrs.

Drove on EV from Kildare to Dub and a bit of urban driving. Got 61 km. Same nothing mad. Temp was around 9 deg. Night time, dry, heating set 21deg. Fan on 2. Bare minimum consumables on.

When the battery showed 1 km on the dash I switched to normal mode. Next day drove it for another 137.4 kms just normal regeneration charge and filled it to the neck. It took 13.08 ltrs to fill it to the neck.

So the calculations are that it took just over 1 ltr of fuel more to charge the battery. (Inc regenerated charge)

Some say they would not switch on ICE, but I wanted to see what the cost in fuel difference was. If I drive on a long drive and my battery has depleted, by turning ICE on I would get a full battery and then switch to EV. If I got 137KM on ICE driving and 60 odd on EV. That鈥檚 nearly 200 kms for 14.4 ltrs. 63km to a gallon. Again brand new car. So will it stay the same.
Mazdas economy claim and 6 year warranty caught my attention along with the looks, tow capacity and so on. Perfect, I thought!

Now I don鈥檛 have a PHEV and it was the first contact I had with same.
So the guys on here are experiencing different economy figures and have had problems that I don鈥檛 like. I have been watching and reading all the posts to see what鈥檚 being fixed and how customers are being treated by Mazda and how they are tackling issues. I still haven鈥檛 cancelled the order. I have until the end of feb before they take my car for trading.

Sorry for the long blurb, don鈥檛 get much time to reply or participate.

PS
The first demo was same on battery but I didn鈥檛 get to do the ICE test.
 

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Hi pixelmad,

I collected the demo (New with 400kms) from the dealer with 1 km on batt but bat not fully discharged. I filled it to the neck and drove it until the battery was full 100% on ICE. Took 137 km on flat enough terrain and normal driving, nothing mad. An odd burst.
Filled it to the neck again and it took 14.4 ltrs.

Drove on EV from Kildare to Dub and a bit of urban driving. Got 61 km. Same nothing mad. Temp was around 9 deg. Night time, dry, heating set 21deg. Fan on 2. Bare minimum consumables on.

When the battery showed 1 km on the dash I switched to normal mode. Next day drove it for another 137.4 kms just normal regeneration charge and filled it to the neck. It took 13.08 ltrs to fill it to the neck.

So the calculations are that it took just over 1 ltr of fuel more to charge the battery. (Inc regenerated charge)

Some say they would not switch on ICE, but I wanted to see what the cost in fuel difference was. If I drive on a long drive and my battery has depleted, by turning ICE on I would get a full battery and then switch to EV. If I got 137KM on ICE driving and 60 odd on EV. That鈥檚 nearly 200 kms for 14.4 ltrs. 63km to a gallon. Again brand new car. So will it stay the same.
Mazdas economy claim and 6 year warranty caught my attention along with the looks, tow capacity and so on. Perfect, I thought!

Now I don鈥檛 have a PHEV and it was the first contact I had with same.
So the guys on here are experiencing different economy figures and have had problems that I don鈥檛 like. I have been watching and reading all the posts to see what鈥檚 being fixed and how customers are being treated by Mazda and how they are tackling issues. I still haven鈥檛 cancelled the order. I have until the end of feb before they take my car for trading.

Sorry for the long blurb, don鈥檛 get much time to reply or participate.

PS
The first demo was same on battery but I didn鈥檛 get to do the ICE test.
Thanks for all the additional insights. This effectively equates to 6.6l/100km without ever plugging the PHEV in, based on your driving which would be similar to my own I think. I'll be taking a demo out for a brief drive next Friday and if I like it I'll arrange to take it for longer. There does seem to be a lot of issues with the car, albeit from a vocal minority. I imagine. by the time yours (and possibly mine) is shipping it will have a lot of the issues addressed, particularly around the software. The one that concerns me most, and what I'll be focusing on on the test drive, is ride quality. I got rid of my X5 (E70) a couple of years ago specifically because of the "crashy" ride quality and I'll not be be buying a car the exhibits that type of behaviour again.
 

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Thanks for all the additional insights. This effectively equates to 6.6l/100km without ever plugging the PHEV in, based on your driving which would be similar to my own I think. I'll be taking a demo out for a brief drive next Friday and if I like it I'll arrange to take it for longer. There does seem to be a lot of issues with the car, albeit from a vocal minority. I imagine. by the time yours (and possibly mine) is shipping it will have a lot of the issues addressed, particularly around the software. The one that concerns me most, and what I'll be focusing on on the test drive, is ride quality. I got rid of my X5 (E70) a couple of years ago specifically because of the "crashy" ride quality and I'll not be be buying a car the exhibits that type of behaviour again.
Deffo take it for a few days if you can.
Now I did feel the suspension issue that the lads were talking about but most lads feel the difference with the mod from what I read.
The cold , terrain and drive style is obviously a big factor to the EV range. I did hover 100-110 kmph on the motor way. Some say it was good for the first couple of k, but then drastically changed. The first demo was aug22 and had 4000km and the ev range was good.
As you say I hope most of the issues if not all are sorted.

Shop around if you are buying, I was getting prices on my trade in of 3500 difference in quotes. Good luck馃憤
 

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All,
I am new to this forum, and I have my CX-60 Takumi since the 16th of January. I only drove 850 km because we went on vacation right after I got the car. I had to drive to Luxemburg airport (from NL via BE) in wintery snowy and slushy conditions with temperatures below freezing. The car performed well, with excellent airco, steer and seat heating. And because I had to leave this brand new car in a parking garage I made sure I could do so with a battery charged to 70%. This I accomplished via the (re)Charge button and worked excellent (I had set the limit of 70% at home).
We stayed in a hotel before the flight next moring at 07.00, and went twice between hotel and airport on EV mode (airco/heating on), which left the battery to about 50%.
When we came back from our holiday, car started normally and no problems whatsoever.
To this point I do not experience all the misery that has been depicted in the forum. Yes, the drive train is sometimes noisy, suspension is a little stiff, the navigation menu's and working of it are cumbersome, and I still need to find my way in the various menus.
(By the way: you can send a destination from the MAZDA APP to your car!)
But all in all, I like the car. I call it "The Beast", because that's what it is.
My average fuel consumption (from the start) is now around 6.8 l /100km, but that is also due to the fact that during daytime you may only drive at 100 km/h in NL. On the other hand, in BE I drove the normal permitted speeds (120 km).
I charge when possible at home, and because I have two homes (one in BE and an appartment in NL) I have used the home wall socket in BE and a charge cable coming from a true WallBox pulsar at the appartment.
The electric range is perfectly reasonable, given the circumstances I drive in. In BE it froze -11 degrees (C) and we have some hilly roads! Getting 2000kg against a steep hill will off course consume electricity or fuel.
I also believe that the numbers presented regarding fuel consumption are quite good; they take into account how you drive, and what your average is. They are updated while you drive.

For us the real proof of the pudding will be pulling a caravan during our vacation. And yes, I will probably take a jerrycan of petrol with me, because I believe that consumption of fuel will be quite high and the fuel tank is rather small .
The way MAZDA has created the tow bar is excellent; you just push a button, the tow bar flips down, and you just need to close it. When you don't need it anymore, push the button, the tow bar unlocks itself, and you can push it back under the car.
In NL the discussion about a CX-60 diesel does not exist. Diesel cars are "banned", both by taxes when buying as wel with road tax which is triple the amount of a petrol car.
So all in all: I am happy for now, despite all the somewhat negative comments in this forum.
The car is spacious, looks well, has excellent safety features, nice adaptive cruise control (okay, you need to get used to it), very good HUD, excellent blind spot warning, etc., etc.
So, would I still buy one? Sure, why not!
 
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